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|Feb-23-05|| ||Chris00nj: fgh: Well Adams didn't sac his rook, he lost it. 25... Nxg3 looks rather valiant, though I'm not sure if there is enough tactics to win. |
26... Re6 wasn't the move to make. 27... Nh5 compounded the error.
|Feb-23-05|| ||Knezh: The point is that the knight has no escape squares so if Topalov manages to keep off the mate threats , he wins on material. |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Chris00nj: After further independent review, (that means without a trusty computer),|
26...Rxd3 27. Rxc6 Rd7 28. Rcc4 Nh5 29. gxh5 Rg8+ 30. Kf2 Qxh2+
31. Ke1 Rg2 should win for black.
29. Rfd4 Rxd4 30. Rxc7+ Kb8 does lead to much as white can't play exd4 for fear of Re1+
Many other moves would let Black ro play Ng7 and black is better though not won.
Any other evaluation of this would be welcome.
|Feb-23-05|| ||Bobsterman3000: weak attack by Adams. Has he been in a slump since losing to Kasimdhzanov? |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Whitehat1963: 28. Bc4! seems to be the point of no return. |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Dionyseus: <Chris00nj> If 26...Rxd3, then 27.Rxd3 with position about equal according to Shredder 8, not 27.Rxc6?? which Shredder 8 quickly evaluates as -3.00|
Also, in your line 28...Nh5 lets white slide. Instead, you should play 28...Red8!!, threatening mate.
|Feb-23-05|| ||Knezh: Personally it seems that the plan involving 20. ..g5 is self-destructive. |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Chris00nj: I was thinking if 26. Rxd3 27. Rxd3 then 27...Be4 28. Qd2 Bxe4 29. Qxe4|
Is that Shredder's continuation for Black?
|Feb-23-05|| ||cade: I was watching this game live and i thought Adams went wrong on move 20. I was hoping for 20... Ne4+. That might have turned out bad too but Adams had to have something better than what he played. |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Dionyseus: <Chris00nj> Actually no, in your line Shredder 8 at depth 19 wants to play 27...Ne4
As for 27...Be4, Shredder 8 doesn't like it, and says that play would continue as 28.Qd2 Bxd3 29.Qxd3 f5 30.hxg3 Qxg3+ 31.kf1 Qh3+ 32.ke1 Qg3+ 33.kd2 fxg4 34.kc3 and gives white a +3.00 advantage |
|Feb-23-05|| ||cade: What does Shredder say about 20... Ne4+ |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Dionyseus: <cade> At a depth of 17, it thinks 20...Ne4+ is the 3rd best move|
1. (-0.85): 20...g5 21.Rd1 Qh3 22.Kg1 g4 23.Bf1 Qh5 24.fxg4 Qxg4 25.Be2 Qh3 26.Bf1 Qh5 27.Rc3 Kb8 28.Be2 Qh3 29.Rxc6
2. (-0.60): 20...Qh3 21.Bf1 Qd7 22.a5 Kb8 23.a6 Ne4+ 24.Kg2 Ng5 25.e4 Nxf3 26.Rxf3 Bxe4
3. (-0.38): 20...Ne4+ 21.Kg1 Kb8 22.Kg2 g5 23.Bb5 Bxb5 24.axb5 Nxg3 25.hxg3 g4
4. (-0.18): 20...h5 21.a5 a6 22.Rd1 h4 23.g4 f5 24.gxf5 Qe5 25.Kg1 Nxf5 26.Rad3 Rxd3
5. (-0.22): 20...Kb8 21.b4 g5 22.b5 Bd5 23.a5 g4 24.b6 cxb6 25.axb6 axb6 26.Qa4 gxf3 27.Bxf3
6. (0.09): 20...h6 21.Rd1 g5 22.Kg1 g4 23.fxg4 Ne4 24.b4 Rxd1+ 25.Bxd1 Kb8 26.b5 Bd5 27.Bb2
|Feb-23-05|| ||cade: Thanks for the analysis. So Adams was still in a good position after move 20. I hope he can bounce back from this. |
|Feb-23-05|| ||patzer2: Adams missed drawing chances with 22. Ne4+! and 26. Rxd3!|
Instead of <22...Qh6?!>, Black should have played 22...Ne4+ 23.Kg1 Ng5 24.h4 Ne4 25.Kh2 Rd5 26.Rd3 Rxd3 27.Qxd3 Kb8 28.Bf3 h5 29.g5 f6 30.g6 Rg8 31.Qd4 Qf5 32.g7 a5 33.Qd3 Qg6 34.Rg1 Rxg7 35.Qd8+ Ka7 36.Qd4+ b6 37.g4 f5 38.g5 Rd7 39.Qe5 Bxa4 40.Rf1 Bc6 41.Bg2 Rf7 42.Rf4 Bb7 43.b4 axb4 44.Qa1+ Kb8 45.Qh8+ Bc8 46.Qe5 b3 47.Bb2 Qe6 48.Qxe6 Bxe6 49.g6 (49.Bxe4 fxe4 50.Rxf7 Bxf7–+) 49...Rd7 50.g7 Rd2 51.Rxf5 Rxb2 52.Re5 Bf7 53.Rxe4 Kc8 54.Kg3 Kd8 55.Bf3 Rb1 56.Kf2 b2 57.Rb4 Ke7 58.Be4 Rc1 59.Rxb2 Kf6 60.Rb5 Kxg7 .
Instead of <26...Re6?>, Black should have played 26...Rxd3! 27.Rxd3 Rg8 28.e4 Bxe4 29.Rxf7 Ne2+! 30.Kf2 Qxh2+ 31.Ke1 Re8 32.Qxe2 Qxe2+ 33.Kxe2 Bd5+ 34.Re3 Bxf7 35.Rxe8+ Bxe8=.
|Feb-23-05|| ||PinkPanther: <Knezh>
g5 by Adams was entirely sound.
|Feb-23-05|| ||drchess9999: I agree with pink panther, g5 was a rather good way to try to expose the white king. There is an analysis on chessbase and apparently Re6 after Rc3 was a mistake, they suggested an exchange sac on d3. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Ezzy: <ChrisOOnj> Go back to a trusty computer Chris, because your analysis is unfortunately seriously flawed. By the way, i'm a Mickey Adams fan, so i'm quite gutted by his loss! 27 Rxd3 should be played, as 27 Rxc6?? loses. After 29 Rfd4, Rxd4: White should play 30 Rxd4 and the game is equal. If 30 Rxc7?? Kb8 and every one of whites 31st moves will lose eg 31 exd4 and black mates in 2. 31 e4 Qxg4+ 32 Kf2 Qh4+ 33 Kf1 Qh3+ 34 Kf2 Qxh2+ etc winning easily. 31 Qg2 Rxg4 wins. 31 Qe2 Rxg4 wins 31 Rc5 Rxg4+ mate in 3 and so on. Because in the line after 29.. Rxd4 30 Rxd4 is equal, black should not play 28..Nh5?? but 28..Red8 Winning. eg 29 Rcd4 Rxd4 30 exd4 (not 30 Rxd4 because 31..Qf1 is mate!) 30..Re8 31 Qf2 Ne2+ wins after 32..Nxf4 and 31 Qd1 Re2+ Winning.31 Rf3 Re1+ 32 Kf2 Rf1+ 33 Ke3 Qh6+ winning. Which means white has to play 27 Rxd3 Rg8 28 e4 (forced as all other moves give black a winning advantage)Bxe4 29 Rxf7 Ne2+ 30 Kf2(30 Qxe2 Rxg4+ 31 Qxg4 Qxg4+ 32 Rg3 Qd1+ 33 Rf1 Qxa5 and black is better) Qxh2+ 31 Ke1 Re8 32 Qxe2 Qxe2+ 33 Kxe2 Bd5+ should be a draw. So if Adams would of played 26..Rxd3 he would of created a lot of winning chances. With correct play, Topolov could probably hold the position, but he would of been under tremendous pressure to do so! i enjoyed the analysis. Hope you do to ChrisOOnj |
|Feb-23-05|| ||Knezh: <PP> so where are you suggesting Adams went wrong? |
|Feb-24-05|| ||Albertan: Here is some analysis from the program Hiarcs 8.
It preferred playing 24...Qxf4 and after 25.Rf4 Qe6 26.Rc3 Qd5 27.Rxc6!? Qxc6 28.Qxc6 bxc6 29.Bxh7 Re5 White has compensation for the pawn.
Hiarcs 8 and Junior 9 suggest that Adams went wrong with the move 26..Re6??. He should have tried 26...Rxd3! and after 27.Rxd3 Rg8 28.e4!? Bxe4 29.Rxg3 Qxg3!? 30.hxg3 Bxc2 31.Rxf7 the position is equal.
Cade in regard to you idea 20...Ne4+ after 21.Kg2 g5 22.Rd1 g4 23.Rxd8 Rxd8 24.Rd3 gxf3 25.Bxf3 Rxd3 26.Qxd3 Ng5 27.e4 Bxe4 28.Bxe4 Nxe4 Black would be up a pawn.
|Feb-24-05|| ||Ezzy: <Albertan - Cade in regard to your idea 20..Ne4+> Of course black will have an advantage of a pawn if white plays 21 Kg2? putting his king on the same diagonal as blacks bishop, when 21..g5 is very strong(threatening 22..g4) But the correct move is 21 Kg1 then 21..g5 has no power, and will not be considered by your computer!! After 21 Kg1 the game is equal. |
|Feb-24-05|| ||acirce: <Black should have played 22...Ne4+ 23.Kg1 Ng5 24.h4 Ne4 25.Kh2 Rd5 26.Rd3 Rxd3 27.Qxd3 Kb8 28.Bf3 h5 29.g5 f6 30.g6 Rg8 31.Qd4 Qf5 32.g7 a5 33.Qd3 Qg6 34.Rg1 Rxg7 35.Qd8+ Ka7 36.Qd4+ b6 37.g4 f5 38.g5 Rd7 39.Qe5 Bxa4 40.Rf1 Bc6 41.Bg2 Rf7 42.Rf4 Bb7 43.b4 axb4 44.Qa1+ Kb8 45.Qh8+ Bc8 46.Qe5 b3 47.Bb2 Qe6 48.Qxe6 Bxe6 49.g6 (49.Bxe4 fxe4 50.Rxf7 Bxf7–+) 49...Rd7 50.g7 Rd2 51.Rxf5 Rxb2 52.Re5 Bf7 53.Rxe4 Kc8 54.Kg3 Kd8 55.Bf3 Rb1 56.Kf2 b2 57.Rb4 Ke7 58.Be4 Rc1 59.Rxb2 Kf6 60.Rb5 Kxg7 >|
Obviously, but unfortunately he was in time trouble and therefore had no chance to calculate all the way to move 60.
|Feb-24-05|| ||PinkPanther: <Knezh>
See the chessbase article mentioned by <drchess9999>.
|Feb-24-05|| ||FLCLlove: Could somebody explain Nh5 to me? All analysis i've seen either places it elsewhere, moves a different piece completely, or had a previous move chnaaged so that situation didn't happen. Was he seeing something I am not? It turned out pretty badly although that may have been caused by previous moves. |
|Feb-24-05|| ||PinkPanther: <FlCLlove>
Nh5 is one of the moves that sealed Adams' fate in this game.
|Feb-28-05|| ||FLCLlove: Yes I realize that, thank you for the response anyway, I guess it was just a flat out blunder. |
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