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| Mar-01-05 | | VishyFan: <hkannan2000> that was a pretty bad line u've given. in case of 35. ♕xe4, the line is something like this 35... ♖f4 36. ♕e1 ♖d4 if Kaspa plays 36... ♕f8 he's doomed, coz 37. ♘xf4 ♕xf4 38. ♕e2 increasing Anand's chances |
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| Mar-01-05 | | hkannan2000: <Vishyfan> True. The Rook has to go back. After that the game continuation shows the sequence i have outlined. That is doubling Q and R on the f file. I had also said analysis is required. May be Anand has, rather will have a better variation in mind when he did not take the e4 pawn. |
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| Mar-01-05 | | VishyFan: <hkannan2000> he might have thought of better options or he might've missed Qxe4, simple! |
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| Mar-01-05 | | AdrianP: Anyone think that Anand's a bit *too* relaxed? He blitzed out some stuff against Kasim yesterday and walked off with a draw and it looks like he could have set more problems for Gazza here. I wonder whether Anand will ever be able to compete with Gazza in terms of depth of ideas, just because things seem to come easily to him. Compare Capablanca and Alekhine, perhaps? |
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| Mar-01-05 | | euripides: After 35 Qxe4 Rf4 the c4 pawn will fall and Black's position looks better. |
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| Mar-01-05 | | VishyFan: <AdrianP> I think he tries to take advantage of the time troubles of his opponent and in the process makes some not so perfect moves...... <euripides> the c4 pawn will not be threatened at all, after 36. ♕e1, if kaspa played 36... ♖xc4, it'd be a disaster, coz 37. ♘b6 follows with the threats of black going exchange down or givin up the queen for rook+minor piece |
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| Mar-01-05 | | VishyFan: <AdrianP> I think he tries to take advantage of the time troubles of his opponent and in the process makes some not so perfect moves...... <euripides> the c4 pawn will not be threatened at all, after 36. ♕e1, if kaspa played 36... ♖xc4, it'd be a disaster, coz 37. ♘b6 follows with the threats of black going exchange down or givin up the queen for 2 minor pieces and a pawn still leaving the passer on the b file, how wise wud that be? |
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| Mar-01-05 | | FatalError: iam very amazed by Kasparovs moves in that suberb time trouble at the end.i think everybody else would have break down by the pressuren and vs. Anand !
Again and agan Mr. Garry Kasparov shows
he still has the "Magic" and that is good ! congratulation to your draw in a "Thin Line between Draw or Hell" |
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| Mar-01-05 | | euripides: <Vishy> I had forgotten about Nb6. But after 35 Qxe4 Rf4 36 Qe1 Rd4 the c4 pawn is still attacked and if e.g 37 Nb6 Qc5 38 Ncd5 Bxd5 White wll drop the c or b pawn. There must be other possibilities, but to invite the black rook to d4 while stifling White's own rook on f1 is a major concession in activity so Black seems well placed to prevail in the tactics. White could further immmolate his forces by 37 Ne2 but it looks awful. |
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| Mar-01-05 | | euripides: What impresses me about this game is Kasparov's intuitition that the way to hold the game was to attack the weak point on f2, not to restrain the b pawn directly. Hence the apparently counter-intuitive decision to exchange the white-squared bishop for the c3 knight and to let the b pawn rip. The critical save with 41 b7 Bg1+ 42 Kh1 Qa1 is a tactic that you don't find unless your intuition tells you there is something to look for; Kasparov must have seen it some way back, in time trouble. |
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| Mar-01-05 | | VishyFan: hey <euripedes> first, if 36. ♖d4, there's no way 37. ♘b6 wud be played, 37. ♘e3 would be played and if u say after 37. ♘b6 ♕c5, 38. ♘cd5 would be a blunder, 38. ♘ca4 would be played hope u got ur answers |
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| Mar-01-05 | | AdrianP: <Minor Piece Activity> Shouldn't this go into a new game collection ... "The Lightning Kid Doesn't Strike"...! ;-) |
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| Mar-01-05 | | VishyFan: <euripedes> hhhhmmmmmmmm, well i don't care as long as he is on the winning line... ;) i guess u meant 37. ♘cd1, well that's the plan...... |
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| Mar-01-05 | | euripides: : <Vishy> well for a fan of Vishy you seem very keen on reducing the activity of his pieces :-)
35 Qxe4 Rf4 35 Qe1 Rd4 <36 Ne3> could be met by 36...Bg5. Now the c4 pawn is gone (if Black wants to take it) unless White plays 37 Ncd1, when White has paralysed himself almost completely, or the better 37 Ncd5, when Black can play 37...Qc5 and is threatening both ...Bxd5 and ...Rxc4. If <36 Nb6 Qc5 37 Nca4> I agree White can save the c pawn, but his knights look suspiciously decentralised. After 37... Qa3 how does White get active play ? e.g. one possible line is 38 Qc3 Qa2 39 g3 and I think Black can play 39....Qe2 with a powerful attack. |
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| Mar-02-05 | | acirce: It is very complicated but my current hypothesis after a number of hours looking at this together with Fritz is that Anand could indeed have won with 35.Qxe4. 35..Rf4 as in the earlier posts is forced or White is just a pawn up with a completely overwhelming position. Then 36.Qe2!? (36.Qe1?! as suggested is more passive than my 36.Qe2, blocking in the rook too, and I agree with <euripides>' antidote 36..Rd4 37.Ne3 Bg5 and Black should be fine. He could even be better if White keeps playing passively) and Black can't get the pawn back immediately because 36..Rxc4 37.Nb6 or 36..Qxc4 37.Nxf4 Qxc3 38.Qd3! (other moves may not be that clear) Qxd3 39.Nxd3 and White's extra exchange and passed b-pawn should decide. If Black tries 36..Bxd5 37.Nxd5 and only then 37..Rxc4 with the trick 38.Nb6 Rc2 there follows 39.Qe4! (39.Nxc8 Rxe2 is not more than draw) Qc5 40.Qxh4 Qxb6 41.Qe7+ and White keeps his extra pawn together with a strong attack that at the very least should give him even more material, for example 41..Kg8 42.Qf6 Kh7 43.Rd1 Qc7 44.Rxd6 Qg7 45.Qd8 Rc1+ 46.Kh2 Rc7 47.b6 etc Remains 36..Rd4 and now 37.Ra1 seems sufficient, threatening at least just to consolidate with Ra4: a) 37..Qc5 38.Qe3 Qxc4 39.Ra7 Qc8 40.b6 (and Black lacks good moves while White threatens things like Qf3 followed by moving the d5-knight or Nd5-c7-e6+ etc) 40..Qc6 (a try as good as any other) 41.Qf3 (threatening for example 42.Ne7 Qxf3 43.gxf3 Bxe7 44.Rxb7 Kf7 45.Rxe7+ Kxe7 46.b7, or 42.Nc7 Qxf3 43.gxf3 Bxf3 44.Ne6+) 41..e4 42.Qf4 Rxd5 (42..Bd8 43.Rxb7+! Qxb7 44.Qxd6  ) 43.Nxd5 Bxf2+ 44.Kxf2 Qxd5 45.Rxb7+ Qxb7 46.Qxd6 with a clearly won queen endgame due to the mighty passer. b) 37..Bxd5 38.Nxd5 and:
b1) 38..Qxc4 39.Qxc4 Rxc4 40.b6
b2) 38..Rxc4 39.Qe3! and threats like Ra7+ and g3 are already too much, for example 39..Qc5 40.Ra7+ Kg8 41.b6! Bxf2+ (41..Qxd5 42.Qh6!) 42.Kxf2 Qxd5 43.b7 Rc2+ 44.Ke1!
b3) 38..Qc5 39.b6 Rxc4 40.Nc7! Rc2 41.Ne6+ Kf7 42.Nxc5 Rxe2 43.Rb1 |
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| Mar-02-05 | | cheski: 37. Nc3 Qd4 38. Nxe4 Rf4 39. Nd2 Kf8 40. c5 Qxc5 41. g3 Bxg3 42. Ne4 Rxe4 43. Qxe4 Kg7 44. Qe3 Bf4 45. Qxc5 dxc5 46. b6 e4 47. b7 and White has a secure win 47... g5 48. Rc1 e3 49. fxe3 Bxe3+ 50. Kg2 Bf4 51. Rxc5 Kf6 52. Rc8 Be5 53. b8=Q Bxb8 54. Rxb8 |
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| Mar-02-05 | | euripides: <acirce> very interesting lines, and some surprises - it's very striking how badly the Black forces coordinate after <39.Qe4! (39.Nxc8 Rxe2 is not more than draw) Qc5 40.Qxh4 Qxb6 41.Qe7+>.
<Cheski> interesting. Another possible defence is <37 Nc3> Rc8 38 Nxe4 Qxc4 39 Qxc4 Rxc4 40 Nxd6 Rd4 41 Nc8 Rc4 42 Na7 Bd8 43 Rb1 Bb6 44 Nc6 Rc2 and Black seems to survive -, or 41 Ne8+ Kf7 42 Nc7 Bd8 and I think Black can hold. But this is just from the screen so there may well be more resources for White. |
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| Mar-02-05 | | cheski: <euripides: > <Interesting>??
Interesting? Is that the best you can do :-)
It's wonderful. And fun. I just wish it had actually happened :-) |
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| Mar-02-05 | | euripides: <cheski > 'Interesting' is a very generous term of praise in my personal lexicon. Especially when there's an improvement on the first move :-( |
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| Mar-06-05 | | cheski: <euripides: >
How do you figure the sequence 37.Nc3 Rc8 (rather than my 37...Qd4) may I ask? Am I looking at the wrong board or are you? I can't see 37...Rc8 being possible. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | euripides: <cheski> true. Rc7 with the same line. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | cheski: <euripides: >
Spoilsport :-)
Anyways, it is still a highly likely win for White. Try to continue after 39.b6 instead of 39.Qxc4.
Now b6 is appropriate as it deals with the black Rook whilst making progress to the queening rank. I would never have chosen 37....Rc7, but have to admit that it is very 'interesting', although not much fun.White desperately needs to bring his Rook into play, but that will take a good few moves. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | euripides: <cheski> very nice ! now <37 Nc3 Rc7 38 Nxe4 Qxc4 39 b6> Qxe2 40 bxc7 Qc2 seems to lose to 41 Nxd6 with the lethal defence 41...Qxc7 42 Ne8+, so Black, it seems, must settle for 40 ....Qxe4 41 c8=Q, when White should probably win the ending because of Black's split pawns, though White's f2 weakness provides some counterplay. |
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| Mar-06-05 | | Dionyseus: If 35.Qxe4 Rf4 36.Qe2 Rd4 37.Ra1, it seems black is lost. Analysis by Shredder 8: 37...Kh6 38.Ra4 Bg5 39.b6 Ba6 40.Qf3 Bxc4 41.Nc7 e4 42.Nxe4 Be2 43.Qxe2 Rxa4 44.Nxg5 Ra1+ 45.Kh2 Qxc7 46.bxc7 Rh1+ (2.03) Depth: 20/51 00:41:49 887633kN
So we have to look at something other than 36...Rd4. Here's some candidate moves: a)...Bxd5
b)...Rf7
c)...Rf8
a)36...Bxd5 37.Nxd5 Rxc4 38.Nb6 Rc2 39.Qe4 and black seems lost. Analysis by Shredder 8:
39...Qc7 40.Qxh4 Qxb6 41.Qe7+ Kh6 42.Qf8+ Kh7 43.Rd1 Qxb5 44.Qf7+ Kh6 45.Rxd6 Qb1+ 46.Kh2 Rc8 47.Rd7 Qf5 48.Qg7+ Kg5 49.h4+ Kf4 50.Rf7 Rc7 51.Rxc7 Ke4 52.Qf7 Kd4 (2.89) Depth: 17/47 00:03:24 85190kn
b)36...Rf7 37.Ne4 Bxd5 38.cxd5 and black seems lost.
Analysis by Shredder 8:
38...Qb8 39.Qb2 Qb6 40.Rc1 Rf4 41.Rc6 Qa5 42.Qb1 Rxe4 43.Rxd6 Bxf2+ 44.Kxf2 Qd2+ 45.Kg1 Re1+ 46.Kh2 Rxb1 47.b6 Kg8 48.Rd8+ Kf7 (2.18) Depth: 18/41 00:01:44 51998kN
c)36...Rf8 37.Qd3 and black looks lost.
Analysis by Shredder 8:
37...Qb8 38.Ne4 Kh7 39.Ra1 Rf7 40.Rd1 Bxd5 41.Qxd5 Qa7 42.Qxd6 Qa1 43.Rxa1 Rf5 44.b6 Kg7 (2.48) Depth: 16/37 00:04:04 81077kN
So we have to go further back it seems. If 35...Qd8, then 36.Qd3 Bc8 37.Ne4 Bf5 38.Ne3 Bxe4 39.Qxe4 Bg5 40.Nd5 and doesn't look good for black. Analysis by Shredder 8: 40...Qa8 41.b6 Bd8 42.Rb1 Qc8 43.Ne3
(2.74) Depth: 19/45 00:05:48 170244kN
Now that I look at my previous analysis, it seems that the best reply to 35.Qxe4 is Rf4. 36.Qe2 Rd4 37.Ra1. How about we explore the line Acirce gave with 37...Qc5 38.Qe3 but instead of 38...Qxc4, how about Bd8: 38...Bd8 39.Ra4 Qc8 40.Qe2 and once again it does not look good for black at all. Analysis by Shredder 8:
40...Bg5 41.Qa2 Bxd5 42.cxd5 Qxc3 43.Rxd4 exd4 44.Qa4 Kh6 45.Qa7 Qc1+ 46.Kh2 Qf4+ 47.Kg1 Qe5 48.Qh7+ Kxh7 49.g3 (2.31) Depth: 18/53 00:13:56 409821kN |
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| Jul-31-16 | | lamsang: I think white can continue with 45Kg3 and gains a B. |
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