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|Apr-12-13|| ||AutumnLord: I really do not agree with the following sentence: "If somebody playing like Tal today in the GM level, he of course would get severe bad beaten in every game". In a period of less than 40 years human abilities and overall knowledge about the chess theories (opening/endgame/midgame) has not made such a Copernican leap. Please notice that even matches between best computer engines are not 100% draws or 100% victories of one side. There is always space for a genius trick in a 10 power of 50 combinations. It was not me saying "In a set match, Morphy would beat anybody alive today" as well it was not me saying "The greatest genius is Tal, the most talented is Tal, the wittiest and most cheerful is Tal, the most comprehensive in style is Tal". Please let me still dream about creative chess instead of analysis and calculation :)|
|Apr-12-13|| ||David2009: Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 Black 22...?|
Try 22...Nxc2. A White counterattack fails: 23.Bh6 Nxb3 24.Rxg7+ Kh8 25.Qg5 Rxb3 and White cannot break through. If 23.Kxc2 Rxb3; if 23.Rxc2 Rxb3; which leaves 23.Nxc5 Qxc5. Now 24.Qxc2 Bxc3 breaks through (the b2 Pawn is pinned) so 24.Kxc2 Rxb2+ 25.Kxb2 and White survives. Instead of 23...Qc5 interpose 23...Na3+ saving the N for the moment. If 24.Kc1 Qxc4+ consolidates, as does 24.Ka1 Qxc5: which leaves 24.Ka2 Qxc5 and if 24.bxa3 Bxc3 breaks through. Thus my final main line is 22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Na3+ etc. Time to
I got the general idea. Here's the position with White to play at move 22:
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Now 22.Nb3? led to the puzzle position: instead 22.h6 g6 is fairly level: White has no time for 22.f4 qa5! 23.fxe5 Nxe4 etc.
|Apr-12-13|| ||Niklaushammer: What is wrong with 22... Nxb2 23. cxb3 Qa5 threatening Qa2+ ?|
|Apr-12-13|| ||chrisowen: I was taking it a bath in afraid to say clinch in a3...|
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|Apr-12-13|| ||kevin86: It's tough when you can't even figure out what happened AFTER the game is over. :(|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Marmot PFL: I remembered this game and knew the solution, which is not too difficult to find although the variations are not simple. It was a question all along of who would crack and make the first mistake and it turned out to be white. before that I thought black was in trouble several times, but GK had it under control.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Marmot PFL: How many players could play a move like 19...Ba8 with their king under attack? I wouldn't have the nerve.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Patriot: 22...Nxb3 23.cxb3 Qa5 24.h6 g6 and resigns? Wait...white may have another option: 25.Bd3 so that 25...Bxc3 26.Qxc3 Qa2+ 27.Kc1 Qa1+ 28.Bb1 or 28.Kd2. This looks defendable.|
22...Nxc2 23.Qxc2 Rxb3 looks very attractive.
22...Nxc2 23.h6 g6 doesn't seem to help matters.
22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Qxc5 24.Qxc2 Qxc3 etc. looks good.
22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Qxc5 24.Kxc2 Rfc8 25.Rc1 Qb4 26.b3 Bxc3 .
22...Nxc2 looks pretty good.
|Apr-12-13|| ||Patriot: My last line <22...Nxc2 23.Nxc5 Qxc5 24.Kxc2...> is ok to that point but 24...Rxb2+ is the key. I considered it but wasn't convinced.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Patriot: The very first line I considered was way off. It definitely had visualization errors.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||Geronimo: <AutumnLord> I do think we can least say that the invention of modern computers and the Internet represents at least a "Gutenberg Moment" if not a Copernican one. The social availability of knowledge has expanded to previously unimaginable depths/heights and the speed of information transmission is undeniably of a qualitative - not merely quantitative - transformative effect on many or most human endeavor, not just chess. |
That said, the problem with others' comparisons between Tal or Morphy and Kasparov or Kramnik is that the exercise is anachronistic and thus of dubious potential for historical accuracy. The more interesting thought experiment is to ask: If Tal were alive today and using all contemporary tools, how strong would he be next to current GMs? This is harder to calculate.
I looked for a long time at bringing the queen down the a file after 22...Nxb3; 23. cxb3 in my typical smash through the front door manner. Thought I has it too. Thanks <Patriot> for the comprehensive refutation.
|Apr-12-13|| ||fisayo123: Garry Kasparov beat Michael Adams 10 to 0, with 8 draws.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||M.Hassan: I went with 22...Nxb3 to cause doubled pawns for White on b file. After 11 moves, Black and White were still equal.No need to post the details as it can not be correct.|
|Apr-12-13|| ||DarthStapler: I got the first move|
|Aug-02-13|| ||MarkFinan: It was only a few hours ago i.was bemoaning the options of a Knight on b3 in the Najdorf, and then i take a look a this game with Stockfish 3 on my android phone (The app re-names it.. Droidfish! This isn't the engine you're looking for, move along lol) and see that its actually the losing move!
I let the engine run for 3mins looking at move 22, and whites up.. The eval shows >=1.17 in Whites favor, then once 22.Nb3 has been played it goes >=2.18 in blacks favour! 3Mins a depth of 16 moves..
Castling queen side wss a bit of a blunder too.|
|Dec-16-13|| ||karan10: What the heck, that is unplaayable',""|
|Dec-21-13|| ||nummerzwei: <acirce: Really I don't think this is such a great game. A pretty regular attacks-on-opposite-wings one. Sure, a lot of us patzers here were stunned by Kasparov "castling into it" and what seemed like it was going to be a dangerous Adams attack, but it doesn't take a superhuman to understand that White never really had anything special. Larry Christiansen had that impression from the beginning, for example. Then Adams just collapsed as early as in move 22. A good game, yes, but not one of the best of the tournament.> (p.31)|
I agree totally. Kasparov's strategy was flawless and he placed his pieces on their ideal squares, but the combination that Adams's 22. Nb3 fails to is not particularly complex and certainly does not stand out in Kasparov's collection.
|May-18-14|| ||Everett: For good or ill, unless I'm playing some kind of KID structure, I am a fan of delayed castling. Here Adams I think makes a mistake by castling into it. I would prefer a different take on the opening, keeping my options open and gaining space on the k-side with 11.g4 Y Xu vs Yifan Hou, 2010|
|Jul-26-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: Kasparov's last victorious game at the prestigious Linares tournament.|
He really beat Adams 10-0 with 8 draws? That's amazing. He's also got crazy lopsided results against Anand and Shirov....and probably everyone else not named Karpov...or Kramnik.
Kasparov was a giant among giants!
|Jul-26-14|| ||JointheArmy: <SpritiedReposte> Not to mention, that was when Adams was actually good. |
Despite his recent win, you see players like Caruana struggle against Adams even today.
|Oct-29-15|| ||Plaskett: Gary has 13-0 Vs Gelfand and 14-0 Vs Shirov.|
|Oct-29-15|| ||perfidious: There was also Kasparov +10 =5 vs Bareev in classical, with a further +2 =1 in rapid play.|
|Dec-20-15|| ||yurikvelo: http://pastebin.com/P1xpv9xP
this game multiPV
|Jul-06-17|| ||ACMEKINGKRUSHER: We have an Opportunity to LEARN Here! After looking at the past Kibitzing I found that some individuals were Besmerching Mr. PAUL MORPHY!! READ YOUR HISTORY! M O R P H Y DOMINATED EVERYONE THAT he Played. THERE really was NO ONE Left to Beat. He even played Many games "AT ODDS" to make it interesting. He even CHASED Europeans & WON! DO NOT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MORPHY! He was the BEST we EVER Came up with in The U.S. Fischer might come close! As to WORLD CHAMPIONS ... I would love to call them in for a SWISS. INVITE also any and ALL of The GREATS Playing at their Best! Then we can answer that "BEST EVER" Question once and for ALL TIME. Since We Obviously can't then we should concentrate on Current Champs. Look how MAGNUS DOMINATED his last Tournament! Look how he did in NORWAY? What a difference? At our CLUB in HAMMOND,In. We have noticed that IT'S Really TRUE that Everyone has their DAY. We ALL have Days when WE CANNOT BE BEATEN! The Moves are there! Then there are the days when you LOSE to EVERYBODY!? Everyone has Good and Bad Days. WC's, GM's and the rest just seem to be able to "PUT IT ALL TOGETHER" MORE OFTEN than us Regular Guys. Study Helps! PLAYING also helps! RIP MORPHY & FISCHER!!! LONG LIVE Current W.C. M-A-G-N-U-S & Future Star PRAGGA!|
|Mar-10-19|| ||Inocencio: Conspiracy theory! The black's queen, bishop, knight and rook ganged up against white's king at the right place at the right time. No way, can the white's king escape the murderous attack by black with superiority of force.|
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