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Jean-Jacques Rousseau vs David Hume
"For Hume the Bell Tolls" (game of the day Oct-13-2021)
Casual (1765), Unknown
Uncommon King's Pawn Opening (B00)  ·  1-0



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May-04-08  whiteshark: I'm in doubt concerning his human chess understanding.
Jun-28-09  Granny O Doul: Pretty obvious fake. The constructor was not skilled enough to fabricate a two-rook sac plus smothered mate without such weak play on the loser's part that the concluding combination was irrelevant. Also unlikely that White, after his impeccable opening play, would allow the murk of 10...Nxe5 11.Qxe5 Bf6 12.Qxc5 Qxb2 when he had the incredibly simple and strong 10. 0-0-0 available.
Jul-24-09  just a kid: Definitely fabricated.
Feb-12-10  siegbert: i know a lot of the napoleon games are fakes. is this too a FAKE????Its an enjoyable finish anyhow.
Jul-31-13  Infohunter: If this game is spurious, as I think it probably is, then the first double Rook sacrifice game remains T Bowdler vs H Conway, 1788.

Best for Black would have been 4...c6, in order to prevent White's Queen from reaching d5, although 4...Ngf6 would also serve this purpose. That alone is enough to mark 4...c5 as a blunder.

Jun-28-16  Conrad93: I don't think this is fabricated. Rousseau spend many years studying and practicing at the game, and the tactics he displayed are those of an above average player. Nothing stupendous.
Jun-28-16  Conrad93: < Pretty obvious fake. The constructor was not skilled enough to fabricate a two-rook sac plus smothered mate without such weak play on the loser's part that the concluding combination was irrelevant. Also unlikely that White, after his impeccable opening play, would allow the murk of 10...Nxe5 11.Qxe5 Bf6 12.Qxc5 Qxb2 when he had the incredibly simple and strong 10. 0-0-0 available.>

The two rook sacrifice isn't as impressive as it seems if you understand the concept of a double check and smothered mate.

He only had to calculate 10 moves ahead, which for someone of Rousseau's strength isn't that unlikely.

It also must be remembered that this was the Romantic Age. If players had a chance to sacrifice a piece for some compensation, they would usually take the risk. The positive results are what we see.

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  MissScarlett: <For Hume the bell tolls>
Mar-18-19  zanzibar: A couple of suggestions <Missy>, fwiw...

You should put your puns into a collection, as I have to admit some of them are pretty good (well, using the <CG> standard of measurement).

Now, as far as navigating your profile to get to your collections - there's just too many of the poor deceased.

They deserve to be moved to a collection, methinks.

Make that <000 - The Dearly Departed>,
and the other collection <001 - MissScarlett's PunHouse>.

Mar-19-19  zanzibar: <His [i.e. Diderot's] friendship with <Jean-Jacques Rousseau>, which lasted for nearly twenty years—longer than almost anyone else sustained a friendship with the ornery and paranoid Swiss philosophe—began when they met drinking coffee and <playing chess in the Café de la Régence>, one of the cafés clustered around the Palais Royal, in Paris, where the real reservoir of Enlightenment social capital was produced.<<>>>

Oct-13-21  Phony Benoni: The triumph of natural play over materialsm.
Oct-13-21  areknames: The pun is obviously apt but the game is just as obviously a fabrication. If it isn't a fabrication it would be simply hume-iliating, as per <wolfmaster>'s comment above.
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  MissScarlett: Jean done good.
Oct-13-21  Brenin: "David Hume could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel". Unfortunately, the song is silent about Rousseau's drinking habits.
Oct-13-21  Cheapo by the Dozen: I'm skeptical.
Oct-13-21  Delboy: Whoever created this game missed an 'opportunity': 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Nxe5+ Ke8 8. Qh5+ Ke7 (8. ... g6 9. Nxg6 N8f6 is clearly better) 9. Qf7+ Kd6 10. Nc4+ Kc6 11. Qd5+ Kb5 12. Nc3+ Ka6 13. b4! b5 (what else?) 14. a4! (14. Qc6+ wins more prosaically) bxc4 15. Qc6+ Qb6 16. b5+ Ka4 17. Bd2 Qxc6 18. Nd5+ c3 19. Bxc3#
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  OhioChessFan: Nice pun. Either a composed game or else Hume just learned the moves. 8...0-0 makes me think the former.
Oct-13-21  SeanAzarin: Lovely smothered mate.
Oct-13-21  Vermit: A game between two philosophers and we end up pondering whether it is real or not. Oh the irony!
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  MissScarlett: <Crash Test D Hume>
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  MissScarlett: <Spitting Out the D Hume> even better.
Oct-13-21  goodevans: <Vermit: A game between two philosophers and we end up pondering whether it is real or not. Oh the irony!> Just brilliant!

You would have to wonder why two eminent philosophers would conspire in such a way and the moves to me look plausible enough for a game between an enthusiastic amateur and a weaker opponent.

Moves like <4...c5> are objectively bad but who hasn't had weak opponents play this sort of thing against them? Black's first out and out clanger was <6...Be7> but again entirely credible from a weak player and whilst <7...Nh6> and <8...O-O> look bad, what else was there?

Rousseau's <10.Nxe5> and <11.Nxf7> were actually dreadful errors.

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Black now has a draw at his disposal with <11...Qxc3+ 12.Ke2 Nf6 13.Nh6+ Kh8 14.Nf7+ Kg8> and if White tries to vary from that he ends up at a disadvantage.

I dunno. Who would make up this sort of rubbish?

Oct-13-21  Ironmanth: Thanks for this evident trip down memory lane, chessgames. Y'all have a great day out there, and be safe for sure.
Oct-13-21  AlicesKnight: I assume Hume was philosophical about his loss.... human nature, perhaps ...
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  Yuridmi: " ... and Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel ... "
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