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Dundee City vs City of Aberdeen
"A Tale of Two Cities" (game of the day Aug-22-2006)
City Match (1859) (correspondence), Postal
Sicilian Defense: Morphy Gambit (B21)  ·  1-0

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Aug-22-06  Confuse: wow... aberdeen city is impressive!
Aug-22-06  khense: Not even Petrosian could get away with getting in a ridiculous looking position like that (Q on b8, etc).
Aug-22-06  sfm: I think that Black should not have played:
5.-,h6 but Nc6
8.-,Nc6 but Bxc3
9.-,Qd6 but Qd8
After this it is indefensible.

Aug-22-06  think: Dundee must be a lively city! Good place for 20-somethings to live.
Aug-22-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Did Morphy's twin-brother live in Dundee by any chance? :)
Aug-22-06
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  jahhaj: Unless you're a fan of 24-hour drinking Aberdeen is not a fun place to live. No idea about Dundee though.
Aug-22-06
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  WannaBe: Alternative pun, 'Sac of Aberdeen'!!
Aug-22-06
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  kevin86: A Dun-Dee(l)! I guess between these cities,Dundee had all the good chess players! Both sound like old Western sixgun towns-Does the winner play Dodge City?
Aug-22-06  psmith: Does White have more than a draw after 21... Bc7? (The draw seems assured with 22. Qg4+ Kf7 23. Qg6+ etc.)

Aug-22-06  percyblakeney: <Does White have more than a draw after 21... Bc7?>

21. ... Bc7 is much better than the quickly losing Nd4, but there are probably lots of trouble for black (in spite of being two pieces up) after 22. Qg4+ Kf7 23. Nf5:


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Here for example 23. ... Rh7 24. Qh5+ followed by Qg6 gets unpleasant for black, but it's far from over.

Aug-22-06  gauer: Can anyone tell me where I might find all these cities on earth.google or mapquest? Are there modern versions of these types of gamescores around, as well (it reminds me a bit of Centaur chess today, rather than the modern team chess, as in the way the used to play it in the Olympiads)?
Aug-22-06  greatdane: Great game and great fun two cities playing against each other. Actually, a quick search in the database on a few selected cities shows quite a number of such games between cities, however most of them old (1850's). Why do cities not play such games to-day ? It could be great fun. On the spot I have decided to establish a new games collection of games between cities - I haven't checked if other users have already had the same idea. Anyway, it will mostly be for my own fun.
Aug-22-06  dougrhess: How did they cities play each other? Just chess teams by mail?
Aug-22-06  chessmoron: <Confuse: wow... aberdeen city is impressive!> Your name says it all. :-).
Aug-22-06  greatdane: <dougrhess> Yes, I believe these games were played as correspondence chess. Must have taken quite a while. Today of course it would be organized on the net but why not a tournament with real-life play between city teams on the main city square ? Would be a great chance for cities to get to know each other better also.
Aug-22-06
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  Peligroso Patzer: The only other game by Dundee City in the CG database was against Edinburgh. Despite the Wild West character of this game, I suspect that these cities are located in Scotland, not Texas.
Aug-22-06  Minty: There probably is a Dundee and Aberdeen in Texas, given the tendency for US towns to be named after British ones. For example, there's a town near where I live (in England) called Braintree. I don't think it's a particularly large or important town, but in the USA, there's two Braintrees and a New Braintree.
Aug-22-06  Maatalkko: Aberdeen is also a town in Washington, which by chance I drove through just today. Kurt Cobain was born there; the "Welcome to Aberdeen" sign has the subscript "Come As You Are".
Aug-22-06  RandomVisitor: White could have kept his advantage with 16.Be3.
Aug-24-06  Confuse: <chessmoron> thanks for your comment! I actually meant Dundee. T_T
Sep-04-06
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  Phony Benoni: It seems that there are indeed towns named Dundee and Aberdeen in Texas:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook...

http://www.houstongrampian.com/aber...

As far as I can tell, they are about 150 miles apart, which is probably further than the two originals in Scotland.

Sep-05-06  tino72: <Phony Benoni> You are right: the Scottish cities are only around 60 miles (100 km) apart. Both cities can boast a proud recent chess heritage. Dundee produced Scotland's first two grandmasters: Paul Motwani and Colin McNab. More recently, Aberdeen produced arguably Scotland's strongest ever player, GM Jonathan Rowson, who has just won a third successive British championship.
Sep-06-06
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  patzer2: IMO this game was effectively over after 7. Nxc3, with White transposing to an extremely favorable gambit line, similar to the Mora gambit -- except that Black has played very badly.

Black missed any chance of survival in overlooking 8...Bxc3 . After 9. Nd5! it's practically all over but for the shouting.

Of course White had to make it interesting and get cute with the dubious 16. Nh4?!, when the simple 16. Be3! or the aggressive 16. Bd6! leaves White a positionally won game.

However, Black returns the blunder gift with 21...Nd4??, which allows the winning capture and followup 22. Rxd4! exd4 23. Qd5+ Ke7 24. Ng6+ Ke8 25. Nxh8 Be7 26. Qg8+ Bf8 27. Qf7+ Kd8 28. Qxf8+ Kc7 29. Qd6+ Kd8 30. Nf7+ Ke8 31. Qxf6 . Black will soon be mated.

Nov-24-06  sfm: If you are not playing 8.-,Lxc3 you ask for trouble.
Jun-05-09  WhiteRook48: stunning attack!!
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