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Nottingham City vs City of Cambridge
Nottingham - Cambridge corr (1838), Postal, rd 2
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Red,

I suppose there is technical reason why corrections etc take so long.

They only just recently after a month took a game played by me out of Murray's databse.

G Chandler vs A White, 1980

I suppose they have to check these things to make sure a gag is not being played or the correction being sent is infact correct.

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  Sally Simpson: The opening moves of this game remind me of a game I have seen.

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Black played 5...Qf6 'Queens off.!

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6.e5 'No the Queens are staying on.'

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7....Qb6 'Queens off.'

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8. Qc3 'No the Queens are staying on.'

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8...Qb4 'Ha ha, the Queens are off.'

er......wait a minute.

Dec-15-14  GoldenBird: Poor opening play by the City Of London
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  Sally Simpson: The Edinburgh Chess Club was founded on the 4th of November 1822.

Here. it's even on the club badge.

It's been two years since I tried to correct this. This game should be binned. I've no idea who it is or where it came from but it was not played in 1820 by Edinburgh.

Is there a correction clique I do not belong to at work here.

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  MissScarlett: Has it occurred that there may have been people playing chess in Edinburgh before 1822?
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Miss.S.

"This game was played between two prominent chess clubs between 1820 and 1828."

We have all the letters from the London 1820's match giving us their moves replying to ours.

This game is not one of them.

"Where did it come from and what shall we do with it?"

"I know..."

"...Edinburgh played London in the 1820's. Lets stick in there."

And you wonder why Edward Winter has the occasional knock at this site.

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  MissScarlett: Do you know the name and address of the London club?
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Miss S,

I've no idea and have no inclination to find out either.

That London Club is now gone but it may have been St Martin's Lane.

The address may have been a simple 'The London Chess Club'.

In the meantime perhaps this game could have it's own page.

Prominent Chess Club N.N. v Prominent Chess Club N.N.

(Liverpol played Manchester in a postal match in the 1820's give this game to them.)

May-20-16  zanzibar:
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Zanzibar,

" In 1825 the Percy Chess Club was closed, and Lewis opened subscription rooms in St. Martin's-lane, where he was patronised by nearly all the best players in London:

Alexander Macdonnell, subsequently the famous rival of La Bourdonnais; John Cochrane, the most brilliant player that ever appeared in the chess arena...

Seems like the London Club moved about a bit whilst the match was in progress.

May-21-16  zanzibar: <Sally> I've run across the <Filthy Old London> book before, but forgot about it.

A great resource.

I wonder how long the LCC was at Tom's Coffee Shop?

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  Sally Simpson: Hi Zanzibar,

Next time I'm at the club (Tuesday?) I'll see if we find out where the letters to London were sent to. It could be as simple as 'The London Chess Club.'.

But this page is not the place to discuss such matters because this game has nothing to do with the match.

May-21-16  zanzibar: <Sally> that would be great.

Didn't I read that those cautious Scots preserved the letters, complete with the wax seals?

That means the addressed envelopes, as you indicated.

BTW- I'd be happy to move to the discussion elsewhere. Where?

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  Sally Simpson: Hi zanzibar:,

We have the letters from London (not ours going there) , they add their address as the London Chess Club. I'll look to see if I can get anymore details.

Lewis gives his address here:


103, St.Martin's Lane, August 1828.

If I find anything relevant I'll post in one of the correct Edinburgh - London pages.

May-22-16  zanzibar: I guess here is a good case for actually being able to visit a site to look at the artifacts. Urcan would approve!

So please do let us know what you find out.

(And upload a photograph if possible)

May-22-16  offramp: I am inside 103, St Martin's Lane right now. It is the Duke of York's Theatre. There is a girl here but she says she doesn't know any Mr Lewis. Odd.
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  Sally Simpson: Hi offramp,

That girl is Daisy Fischer, a result of a two week marriage ending in divorce whilst Fischer was touring England, Scotland and Wales giving 30 simultaneous displays in 'prominent chess clubs' winning 599 and drawing one. (v a Mr Thomas).

May-22-16  offramp: <Sally Simpson> that makes me think of a good question. Did Bobby Fischer ever visit Britain? I can't think of any time that he did - except for a Elvis-like (Elfin?) stopover at Heathrow.
May-22-16  offramp: < Sally Simpson: Hi zanzibar:, We have the letters from London (not ours going there) , they add their address as the London Chess Club. I'll look to see if I can get anymore details.

Lewis gives his address here:


103, St.Martin's Lane, August 1828.

If I find anything relevant I'll post in one of the correct Edinburgh - London pages.>

In order to read this comment properly I had to go to my mate's house cause he's got a 24-inch monitor.

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  Sally Simpson: Hi Offramp.

Fischer at the BBC.

Fischer / Barden vs Penrose / Clarke, 1961

May-22-16  offramp: <Sally Simpson: Hi Offramp.
Fischer at the BBC.

Fischer / Barden vs Penrose / Clarke, 1961>

The first move says, "1. e4 Radio game".
Was Elvischer definitely in Britain for that game? Was it by radio?

I know definitely that Fischer was interviewed by James Burke. Burke was a fantastic presenter. He did a superb programme called Connections. I've seen YouTube video of that i/v and I am sure it is in London, and it looks to be about 1970/71. But why was Fischer here?

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  Sally Simpson: *** Got It ***

This game is Nottingham (White) - Canbridge (Black) played by post in 1838.

We have the game where Cambridge was White.

Cambridge vs Nottingham City, 1838

This is their Black.


Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games: Volume 1: 1485-1866 by David Levy (page 55).

I have photo-copied the page and posted it right at the front of an old blog.

Correction Slip Sent.

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  Sally Simpson: Hooray!

It has been fixed.

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  MissScarlett: The date's still wrong. See to it.
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  Sally Simpson: It's nothing to do with me. I'm happy it's no longer Edinburgh v London. Let some lad from Nottingham or Cambridge fix it.
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