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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
MTel Masters (2005), Sofia BUL, rd 10, May-22
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen Variation. English Attack (B80)  ·  0-1



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Jul-05-05  russep: Didn't Topalov blunder his knight in this game. Kramnik didn't see it and finally blundered. So the both blundered.
Jul-05-05  Dres1: I dont think Topalov ever drops a knight... please explain when white can take a knight?
Jul-05-05  russep: Move 30. White could take the knight then the bishop if he doesn't move it.
Jul-15-05  LIFE Master AJ: <all> Check the bottom half of this page, ( everything is explained there.
Jul-16-05  Dres1: if white takes the knight on move 30, then black will play rook ac8 defending his bishop, and then bishop e7 if necessary to win back the b4 knight, unless there is something im missing
Jul-16-05  mymt: 30.Qxc5 Bxe2 31.Rxe2 Be7 32.Qxe5 Bxb4
Jul-16-05  mymt: 31.Qxc5 Bxe2
Jul-26-05  LIFE Master AJ: <mymt> 31.Qxc5!, BxN/e2; ('?') is easily met by 32.Qf2! Now if Black takes the Rook on d1 ... he drops his Queen. Capturing the Knight (with the Queen) on c5 WAS th best move, however. (Fritz 8.0 gives, Qxc5, Rec8; and then renders an 'eval' of "plus-slash-minus," or White is winning.)

Oct-15-05  AlexanderMorphy: mark my words, Topalov will do the same as he did in this game and beat Kramnik to gain the FIDE world championship title!
Oct-15-05  iron maiden: He already has it.
Oct-16-05  AlexanderMorphy: i mean the other world title, which Kramnik currently holds!
Nov-09-05  alexandrovm: Kramnik managed to win the exchange, then blunder a hole piece. Was he better before the blunder?
Dec-16-05  Conde de Montecristo: This is fate.
Dec-16-05  malakaboy: will the real chess champion please make the first move,has it gotten to the point that so much smoke and mirriors have consealed the real champion from our own eye's,lets trace the game back to karpov,we all agree he was the best after fischer,so we will start with him ,now after karpov kasparov became with me so far ,ok than after kasparov,lets see oh yeah it was kramnik so we have the last three champions ,karpov,kasparov,and kramnik and they all beat each other in succession to become world champion,so since kramnik has not been beaten by anyone yet and he did not retire from chess how did topalov become new worlds champion,he cant be champion first of all your last name has to start with a k to become chess champion ,go figure that out
Dec-16-05  aw1988: Topalov is the FIDE champion, not the world champion. Big difference.
Dec-17-05  Joshka: Yes, it's amazing how folks get this all twisted up, it's so easy....Kramnik is World Champion following the line from Kasparov/Karpov...Topolov Is FIDE Champion following the line from Kasim and Pono ect.
Dec-17-05  aw1988: Hence "reunification", and how some people actually ask "why do we need a stupid reunification"...
Feb-05-06  Badmojo: Vladimir Kramnik is WITHOUT A DOUBT the world champion.

He may not be playing like one, but beat him in a match then. Topolov is a paper champion, churned out by FIDE.

Topolov is the rightful challanger, so let's hope those two camps can make something happen.

Feb-05-06  Steppenwolf: Good beating of Kramnik by the World Champion Topalov. Kramnik is a "has been" now, Topalov shouldn't even bother about him anymore.
Feb-05-06  cannibal: <Joshka
Kramnik is World Champion following the line from Kasparov/Karpov...>

That's true. But a line consisting in exactly two players - even if they are that strong - is no a very convincing argument. Cause if you go back on that line, Fischer would still be world champion, as has been pointed out 1000 times. Oh no, wait, actually its Alekhine. Or Morphy. ;-)

Beating Kasparov certainly gave him the right to call himself WC (even if he LOST the qualifier), but thats more than 5 years ago. In the meantime he has defended that title against a player chosen because of his success in ONE single tournament (Dortmund 2002). Is that what you consider a fair qualifier? And to be honest: if he had chosen the strongest player in the world as an opponent, he wouldnt have had a chance for the last 3 years or so. Of course he's sick and so on, but hey, if you're sick for 3 years, there goes your title. Thats the way it is in any other sport. Of course, if the official organisation cant put up a fair WC, things are different. But now that they have...

Mar-21-06  alexandrovm: I insist on this question here:
<alexandrovm: Kramnik managed to win the exchange, then blunder a hole piece. Was he better before the blunder?>
Apr-05-06  ghristo: Doesn`t win 31.Qxc5 Bxe2 32.Qf2 ?
Aug-31-06  Inf: <Badmojo: Vladimir Kramnik is WITHOUT A DOUBT the world champion> YES THERE IS A DOUBT... kasparov gave that 2000 title away...
Sep-28-06  SniperOnG7: I wonder why Kramnik is not playing e4 against Topalov right now? ;)
Mar-15-08  positionalgenius: Hilarious game
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