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Hydra (Computer) vs Michael Adams
Adams - Hydra Match (2005), London ENG, rd 5, Jun-26
Spanish Game: Closed. Averbakh Variation (C87)  ·  1-0

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Jun-26-05  WMD: Fair point <euripides>, and against Kasparov it might be worth playing on (Kasparov vs Short, 1993) but against the computer...
Jun-26-05  WMD: <That said, I'll let you have the final word on this, the discussion is just fruitless.>

Touchy, ain't he?

Jun-26-05  tjshann: I had to leave the game just before a5 to go to brunch, but I remarked to my wife that the game was over. I feel badly for Adams; he seems psyched out. (Who wouldn't be?)

I find the discussion about how some players are adept at playing against a computer interesting. Reminds me of the folks who develop a "system" to beat the roulette wheel. In the end, the house has the advantage; you play enough times and it will eke out its percentage. A computer ultimately has more "talent" for chess than a human, if by talent we mean ability to analyse a position deeply and never expend "nervous energy" which over the course of a game or match will take its toll. It also cannot be psyched out, which we have seen happen to Adams and Kasparov before him. We can accept this without shame; but we used to talk of chess as "art" and a particularly stunning game winning the "brilliancy" prize, and now chess looks more like science than art.

Jun-26-05  Per: Communism, AIDS, science fiction, Marxism...
We are pretty far away from chess here guys!
Jun-26-05
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  tpstar: <Per> The Curse of Hydra = if you cut off one subject, then two topics sprout up instead. ;>D
Jun-26-05  alexandrovm: I think GM Adams didn't took an adequate strategy. To play well known openings against a multi processor computer, wich also has a large database? I don't think so. It is very dificult to play like that, even if you are a super GM. Remember the disastrous results of Topalov, Ponomariov and other GM's last year? Just painful! Only Kramnik, Kasparov, and Kazim (a couple of days before) made fair results against a computer. It's a thin edge, to win a computer. You can make 40 great moves and make a mistake in the forty first, and you can lose the game! And errors and mistakes among GM is natural, they are all humans, just like us...
Jun-26-05  WMD: <I think GM Adams didn't took an adequate strategy. To play well known openings against a multi processor computer, wich also has a large database?..>

I think more of a strategy is needed than just to play a3, c3, d3, e3 or g3 on the first move. What are these superior non-standard opening set-ups you think should be played?

Jun-26-05  aw1988: <tpstar> My throat hurts from laughing so hard.
Jun-26-05  bomb the bishop: <square dance> well, AIDS treatment at the moment is very good at stoping its development for people who can afford it. The cocktail therapy known as HAART or (Highly Active Anti Retroviral Therapy) is achieving almost normal conditions for people with aids, the problem ultimately is the cost and the possibility of people stopping the treatment. Here is a link if you wish to read an interesting article about it http://www.healingwell.com/library/...
Jun-26-05  WMD: <The cocktail therapy known as HAART or (Highly Active Anti Retroviral Therapy) is achieving almost normal conditions for people with aids, the problem ultimately is the cost and the possibility of people stopping the treatment.>

Of course there is no convincing evidence that these people are actually 'living with HIV/AIDS'. More importantly what about the supposed hundreds of thousands of people living in the West who have no idea they have the alleged virus? When are they going to start falling out of their trees?

I suggest people who are interested acquaint themselves with a forum such as: http://groups.msn.com/aidsmythexpos... and slowly try and wean themselves off this toxic propaganda.

Jun-26-05
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  technical draw: I won $200.00 last week in the pick four lottery, I'm also an expert on quantum decoherence and that makes me an expert on the future of chess. The Hydra win over a top ten GM is scary. Maybe it's all over. Hello FRC...
Jun-26-05  bomb the bishop: <WMD> well that is precisely the problem with HIV that a person cannot be aware of being its carrier unles AIDS related diseases take place, and their symptoms fully convince the person that they must have AIDS, yet, they can still take the cocktail therapy at these last stages, and can still go back to carrying an almost normal life if they can afford the costly expenses of the medicines that average to over 10 thousand dollars a year, which is obviously much more than what most people who carry aids can afford, I am reffering to a large percentage of the infected HIV population that live in countries with a low engage economy which is the majority of cases in the continent of Africa, and a great amount of cases also in Asia and Central America, yet.. the evidence of the HAART working, can be found by simply asking a doctor that you know is reliable, and he will most probably tell you that it works, if not you can ask and or see one of the many people that are now taking the medications by simply attending a hospital, I agree that it is a very small amount of the world's population that is taking the treatment at the moment but that does not mean that the treatment itself is a disgrace, because it does save a person with aids in the respect that it attacks several strands of the HIV virus and even allows red and white blood cells to regenerate, thus allowing the patient to live for more years than what was expected (chessgames, sorry for writing about it on your site, I will not continue writting but I felt important to respond to this argument)
Jun-27-05  PARACONT1: <WMD> I think Micky's got a better chance of winning the lottery than beating hydra
Jun-27-05  TheSlid: Lol. Best laugh since my granny died, as the saying goes.
Jun-27-05
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  vonKrolock: For years now commercial Chess programs for home-pc ( also some old 'dedicated' machines and even CDs for video-game consoles already are presented with a "no-opening-mode": in this mode they simply calculates in a predeterminated time, and tends (at least the versions i knew) to repeat same moves when the time allowed is the same - so in a match, the human player would have always a chance to improve repeated openign sequences - in other aspects, the efficiency is the same

<in other aspects, the efficiency is the same > And also the same for Random Chess (pick a position - p. ex. from chessgames .com Fischerrandom Generator, and enter in the set-up mode of the program...

<anti-computer play> Guerilla warfare in march!

Jun-27-05
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  Ezzy: Yesterday on 'chess fm', IM Bill Pascall could not not understand the move 21 a4. He spent about 10 minutes explaining that - "for the life of me I will never understand the reasoning behind this move 21 a4". In fact 21 a4 confused him more than any other move in the game!!

How eerily ironic that it was this 'a' pawn that decided the game!!

Jun-28-05  Philidor: This was expected. When Kaspy lost to Deep Blue, Man lost his crown and his kingdom. This match just tells us we'll never get it back.
Jun-28-05
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  lostemperor: <Ezzy: Yesterday on 'chess fm', IM Bill Pascall could not not understand the move 21 a4. He spent about 10 minutes explaining that - "for the life of me I will never understand the reasoning behind this move 21 a4>

Funny, I said on page 16 <"21. a4 and 25. h4. Hydra proves Philidor is alive. Pawns are the soul of chess!"> The programmers simply put the theories of Philidor into Hydra (and that of later worldchampions also btw.).

I'm glad computers now understand the theories of Philidor and I hope IM Bill Pascal will understand that also ;-)

Jun-28-05  Chesschatology: This was a very one sided match as has been pointed out several times. Lowish time-limit- lots of pressure on Adams and an almost unknown opponent. Most of all, I doubt that Mickey prepared for it in any serious way. He just had a punt, made $10,000 and left. Fine. Meanwhile GM Lutz played intensively against Hydra and found lines to use against Adams in his favourite openings, or at least the ones he was most likely to play against computers. They fine-tuned it as Black against the closed Sicilian, and as White against the Petroff and the closed Spanish, and so on and so forth. Adams even fell into a trap that Lutz had fallen into in game 3.

If Adams had had plenty of practice games against Hydra, or if Hydra was regularly playing in tournaments, people might find its weaknesses, and understand it more.

Additionally, it seems to me that going into highly theoretical and sharp openings was the right course against Hydra. Opening prep. Is between GM Lutz + Hydra against GM Adams + Fritz etc.– a contest the latter pair can probably win. Win it, reach an advantageous middle-game and go for the kill.

Also I think that GMs are intimidated by computers at the moment. Give human intelligence a chance to understand and outflank these silicon impostors. Let’s see whether we can evolve quicker than they can!

Jun-28-05
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  Ezzy: <lostemperor - Funny, I said on page 16> <"21. a4 and 25. h4. Hydra proves Philidor is alive. Pawns are the soul of chess!"> Well said!! The spirit of Philidor was certainly looming over the chessboard in this game!!
Jul-13-05  patzer2: Perhaps it is an exaggeration, but I think Adams lost this game after Hydra doubled his pawns with 11. Bxc6! Hydra's methodical creation and destruction of Adams' weak queenside pawn structure is instructive. Hydra is both a tactical and positional monster.

In a subsequent match game he avoided the doubled pawns as Black in the Ruy Lopez, and actually had opportunities to equalize against the computer.

Jan-26-06  EricCartman: <patzer2> That's right! This game shows again the power of the pawns. 11. ♗c6! was a very good move, because it destroyed the pawnstructure of black. If you have a good pawnstructure and your opponent hasn't, you will win. Very instructive.
Jan-26-06
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  OhioChessFan: It seems to me that if Black played opening theory, it needs to be reevaluated. Black traded Bishop for Knight, with the White Queen being developed in the recapture. White traded Bishop for Knight, with Black doubling Pawns in the recapture.
Jul-08-06  spirit: <tpstar> and <per> well, HYDRA trascends all these sphere!
Jul-28-07  spirit: poor mikky...
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