| Jul-14-05 | | drchess9999: can't believe nobody commented on this exciting draw..... |
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| Jul-14-05 | | ughaibu: Do posts such as the above themselves qualify as commenting? |
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| Jul-14-05 | | aw1988: Yes, this was exciting, though I do object to the audience for having the compulsion to applaud. I thought such problems were rid of. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | fgh: Great draw, and also the best game of the day. Experts! in the press room said that black was lost, yet Kramnik showed that evaluation of the position was wrong, and he won an exchange! On the other hand, Naiditsch defended extremely well and precisely during the entire endgame. Definitely a game worth analysing on your own. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | Montreal1666: <aw1988:> Naiditsch is the local boy. They are supposed to applaud for him.
Aren't they? |
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| Jul-14-05 | | fgh: <Montreal1666>: Maybe it was some kind of klaka :-) |
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| Jul-15-05 | | pantlko: well........a fighting draw for naiditsch........well played...... |
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| Jul-15-05 | | TruthHurts: This Naditsch is becoming really good, this draw is magnificent, he defended in a really sharp amazing style. |
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| Jul-15-05 | | aw1988: It doesn't matter, the spectators have no right to applaud with games still taking place. |
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| Jul-15-05 | | farrooj: They applauded during the game? Which move did they applaud?
I think that the applause is very annoying to deal with if you are playing... It disrupts you thought process. |
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| Jul-15-05 | | aw1988: No, after it was over, but apparently there was still another game going. |
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| Jul-15-05 | | fgh: How typical. I'am sure that if Kramnik would have been white, people would be still praising Naiditsch and say "Kramnik just barely saved his ass". |
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| Jul-16-05 | | sharpnova: i'm thinking 47. ... Qc8 and kramnik would have been able to force a win from this point? black could maneuver his queen to c4 and many opposition-gaining threats would ensue |
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| Jul-16-05 | | iron maiden: <I'am sure that if Kramnik would have been white, people would be still praising Naiditsch and say "Kramnik just barely saved his ass".> Isn't that pretty much what happened? |
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| Jul-16-05 | | sharpnova: anyone see a way white can force a draw after 47. ... Qc8? |
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| Jul-17-05 | | patzer2: Naditsch's 49. Rxh5!! gives up a Rook to force a draw by perpetual check and threefold repetition of moves. The variations are not easy, but make for a useful, interesting and instructive study. |
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| Jul-17-05 | | patzer2: <sharpnova> I ran 47...Qc8! on Fritz 8 and it appears to be a win for Black. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | patzer2: Here's some analysis with Fritz 8 and the Opening Explorer: <1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3> Historically 5. d4 has been the more popular move, but 5. Nc3 is now fashionable among the Super GMs as in Anand vs Carlsen, 2005, Adams vs Peter Nielsen, 2005, Kramnik vs Peter Nielsen, 2005 and Topalov vs Anand, 2005.
<5...Nxc3 6. dxc3 Be7 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Qd2 O-O 9. O-O-O Ne5 10. Be2>
This seems to be a novelty, at least according to the ChessGames.com Opening
Explorer. Major alternatives previously played at the GM level was 10. Nd4 in Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1995, 10. Kb1 in Tseshkovsky vs Motylev, 2005 and 10. h4 in Topalov vs Kramnik, 2005. Interestingly, Naiditsch switched to 10. Kb1 in the Dortman tournament to draw in Naiditsch vs Bacrot, 2005.
<10...Ng4 11. Bd4 c5 12. h3> An equalizing alternative is 12. Be3 Be6 13. a3 d5 14. h4 Nxe3 15. Qxe3 Bd6 16. Ng5 Qf6 17. g3 Rad8 18. Bd3 Bf5 19. Qf3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 g6 21. f4 =. <12...cxd4 13. hxg4 dxc3 14. Qxc3 Bxg4 15. Bd3 h5> Not 15... Bxf3?? 16. Bxh7+ Kh8 17. Bf5+ Kg8 18. Qxf3 Bg5+ 19. Kb1 Bh6 20. Be4 Rb8?? (20...Rb8 21. Bxe7  ) 21. Rxh6 gxh6 22. Qf5 Kg7 23. Qh7+ Kf6 24. Qxh6+ Ke7 25. Bf5 Qb6 (25... f6?? 26. Re1+ Kf7 27. Qg6#) 26. Re1+ Kd8 27. Qxf8+ Kc7 28. Qe7+ Kc6 29. Bd7+ Kc5 30. Qe3+ Kc4
31. Qc3+ Kd5 32. Rd1+ Ke4 33. Qf3+ Ke5 34. Rd5# <16. Qc4?!> Here, White should play it safe with 16. Qd4! Bf6 17. Qxg4 Bxb2+ 18. Kb1 hxg4
19. Bh7+ Kh8 20. Bf5+ Kg8 21. Bh7+ Kh8 22. Bf5+ Kg8 23. Bh7+ = and a draw by repetition. <16... Re8 17. Bh7+ Kf8 18. Qf4 Qb6!>
Now the position starts to favor Black. <19. c3 Bf6 20. Rxd6!?> With Black starting to take over the initiative, White makes an exchange sacrifice to create complications. No fun for White is the alternative 20. Bd3 Qxf2 21. Qxd6+ Kg8 22. Rd2 Qe3 23. Re1 Qxe1+ 24. Nxe1 Rxe1+ 25. Kc2 Bg5 26. Qd5 Bxd2 27. Kxd2 Re7  . |
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| Jul-18-05 | | patzer2: <20... Qxf2 21. Rxf6 gxf6 22. Qxf6 Qe3+> Kramnik apparently missed a win with 22... Rad8! 23. Qh6+ Ke7
24. Qf4 Rd6 25. Be4 Rb6 26. b3 Re6 27. Bd5 Re2 28. b4 Qe3+ 29. Qxe3+ Rxe3 .
<23. Kb1 Rad8 24. a3> Black appears to win after 24. Nd4 Rd7 25. Ka1 Qe5 26. Qh4 f5 27. Bg6 Ree7 28. Rf1 Kg7 29. Bxh5 Bxh5 30. Qxh5 Qe1+ 31. Qd1 Qxd1+ 32. Rxd1 Kg6 33. Kb1 Re2 34. Rg1 Rf2 . <24... Qe6 25.
Qf4 Kg7 26. Bc2 Qf6 27. Qg3 Kf8 28. Nd4 Re5 29. Bb3 Rde8 30. Ka2 a6 31. Rc1 Kg7
32. Rc2 Re3 33. Qh2 Qe5 34. Qh4 f6 35. Rf2 Re4 36. g3 Re7 37. Qh2 Re1 38. Rf4
Re4 39. Rf2 Qg5 40. Bc2 Qd5+ 41. Bb3 Qc5 42. Bc2 Re1 43. Rf5 R1e5 44. Rf4 Be6+
45. Bb3 Bxb3+ 46. Kxb3 Re4 47. Rf5 Qb6+!?> This appears to overlook a decisive alternative. Apparently winning for Black is 47... Qc8! 48. Qxh5 Qg8+ 49. Kb4 Qa2 50. b3
Qd2 51. Rd5 a5+ 52. Kc4 Qe3 53. Qd1 Qxg3 54. Kb5 R7e5 . <48. Kc2 Rxd4 49. Rxh5!!> This strong defensive move forces the draw. Not 49. cxd4?? Qxd4 50. Rf3 Qc5+ . |
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| Jul-18-05 | | patzer2: <49... Rd6> Other alternatives also draw. For example, no help for Black is (A) 49... Rdd7 50. Rh7+ Kg8 51.
Rh8+ Kf7 52. Qh5+ Ke6 53. Qg4+ Kd6 54. Qf4+ Ke6 55. Rf8 Rd6 56. Qg4+ Ke5 57.
Qe2+ Kd5 58. Qxe7  ;
Nor (B) 49... Qc6 50. Rh7+ Kf8 51. Qh6+ Ke8 52. Rh8+ Kd7 53.
Qh3+ f5 54. Qxf5+ Re6 (54... Qe6?? 55. Qxe6+ Rxe6 56. cxd4 ) 55. Qf7+ Re7
56. Qf5+ Re6 57. Qf7+ Re7 58. Qf5+ =;
Nor (C) 49... Rd8 50. Rh7+ Kf8 51. Rh8+ Kf7 52. Qh5+! (52. Rh7+?? Ke8 ; 52.
Qh7+?? Ke6 ) 52... Ke6 53. Qg4+! Kf7 (53... Ke5 54. Qf4+ =; 53... Kd5
?? 54. Rxd8+ Qxd8 55. Qd4+ ) 54. Qh5+ Ke6 55. Qg4+ Kf7 56. Qh5+
is another draw by threefold repetition;
Nor (D) 49...Rdd7 50. Rh7+ Kf8 51. Rh8+ Kf7 52. Qh5+ Ke6 53. Qg4+! Kd6 54. Qf4+! Ke6 (54... Re5??55. Qxf6+ Re6 56. Qxe6+ Kxe6 57. Rh6+ ; 54... Kc6?? 55. Qxf6+ Kc7 56. Rc8+ Kxc8 57. Qxb6 ) 55. Qg4+! Kd6 56. Qf4+! (56. Qd1+?? Kc7 ) 56... Ke6 (56... Kd5??
57. Qf5+ Kc6 58. Qxf6+ Kc7 59. Rc8+ ; 56... Kc5?? 57. Qf5+ Rd5 (57... Kc6
58. Qxf6+ Kb5 59. Rh5+ ) 58. b4+ Kc4 59. Qf1+ ; 56... Re5?? 57. Qxf6+
Re6 58. Qxe6+ Kxe6 59. Rh6+ Kd5 60. Rxb6 ) 57. Qg4+ with a draw by threefold repetition of moves. <50. Rh7+ Kf8 51. Rh8+! Kf7
52. Qh5+! Ke6 53. Qg4+ f5 54. Qc4+! Ke5 55. Qf4+! Ke6> (55... Kd5? 56.
Qxf5+ Kc6 57. Rc8+ Rc7 58. Qe4+ Rd5 59. Rxc7+ Qxc7 60. c4 ) <56. Qc4+ Ke5 57. Qf4+ Ke6 58. Qc4+ = 1/2-1/2> |
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| Jul-19-05 | | Montreal1666: The video clip of Dr. Helmut Pfleger 's commentary on this game is now available here: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp... |
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