| Aug-19-05 | | freedpig: 26... Kf6 ?? insted Kf8 is = |
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| Aug-19-05 | | Shams: maybe he was playing for a win??
what a game. it's annoying that the sac explorer calls out white's 22nd move (??) instead of 14...Nxf3!? which is the one I'm curious about. Does anyone know if this is a book line? |
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Aug-23-05
 | | samvega: I disagree that 26..Kf8 is equal. White plays Kc8+, and then zig-zags with checks to Qd5+ -- white can force this if black keeps returning to the back rank. Then white plays Bd3. Black has lost the resource of ..Bd4+ or ..Qc3+, and white wins more material. |
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Aug-23-05
| | samvega: ...or to Qe4+, depending on black, with the same result. Forced as best as I can see. Is "Kf8 is =" a computer evaluation? |
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Aug-23-05
| | tamar: <Shams> The 14...Nxf3 sack is a book line, but a recent one. The moves up including 14 Bf4 had been played in Anand-Topalov Linares 2005 when Topalov played 14...Bd6 Cheparinov, Topalov's second, tried the move 14...Nxf3 against G Rodriguez at Dos Hermanos 2005 and drew showing Black had some dangerous threats. Anand played it again versus Topalov at Sofia with both knowing the Cheparinov game and Anand creatively sacrificed his queen for three pieces with 17 Bd3 Bc5 18 Bxe4 to give White chances, but it ended in a draw after some errors. Anand vs Topalov, 2005 Almasi varied from that game with 17 Re1 |
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Aug-23-05
| | tamar: <samvega> I agree, your line looks good for White. After 26...Kf8 27 Qc8+ Kf7 28 Qd7+ Black can try for counter-attack with the bishop with 28...Be7 29 Qd5+ Kg6 30 Rg1+ Kh7 31 Bd3 Bf6+ and White has the square 32 Kb3 Worth some study even here though. |
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Aug-24-05
| | samvega: <tamar>. Ah. Against 28..Be7 I had considered just Bd3 anyway, missing ..Rd8. But in your line, if 31..Rd8, then 32.Qxf5+ Qxf5 33.Bxe4 Bf6+ 34.Kb3 wins. |
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Aug-24-05
| | tamar: <samvega> <But in your line, if 31..Rd8, then 32.Qxf5+ Qxf5 33.Bxe4 Bf6+ 34.Kb3 wins.> I see what you mean, but for goodness sake be careful! Black is like a dead rattlesnake that can still bite. You left out 32 Rhg1+ Kh7 before taking on f5. In your line, 32 Qxf5 Kxf5! ruins the win. Almasi's idea with 17 Re1 may have been to set up this very combination.
And Black in turn is always trying to avoid it.
It is fascinating how this idea goes through the stem games in different forms. Anand was zoning in on e4 too in his game versus Topalov when he played 17 Bd3 with the note, "Since Black's threats are quite serious, White must take drastic action to eliminate Black's knight on e4." NIC 2005/5 |
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Aug-24-05
| | samvega: I must have expressed myself unclearly. What I meant was: I had originally considered 26..Kf8 27.Qc8+ Kf7 28.Qd7+ Be7 29.Bd3, which I subsequently realized leaves black some life after 29..Rd8. But your line 26...Kf8 27.Qc8+ Kf7 28.Qd7+ Be7 29.Qd5+ Kg6 30.Rg1+ Kh7 31.Bd3 solves that problem, for if black plays 31..Rd8 (instead of 31..Bf6+), white has 32.Qxf5+ etc. I think we're on the same page, I may have just over-abbreviated. |
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Aug-24-05
| | tamar: Ah well,being on the same page is not always good. Take a look at the Kramnik page lately :-) |
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Aug-25-05
| | tamar: 21 Bc7 is one of the startling moves of this game. Can Black refuse to be deflected with 21...Qd7 |
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| Aug-29-11 | | ColeTrane: que tal y Tal, pero que brutal! |
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Aug-29-14
 | | Chessical: After the very imaginative and rather effective <21...Bc7!?>
click for larger view<21... Qxc7> (diag.) 22. Qxd5 Qf4+ (<22... Rd8?> 23. Qxf5 wins) 23. Ncd2! (<23. Kb1> Rd8 24. Qe6+ Kf8 25. Nfe5 Be8 is less effective) 23... Rd8 24. Qxc5 Rxd2 25. Rxe4+ Qxe4 26. Bxb5+; and wins.
axb5 27. Re1 Re2 28. Qxb5+ wins. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 22.bxc4