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Veselin Topalov vs Peter Svidler
FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), San Luis ARG, rd 12, Oct-11
Spanish Game: Closed Variations (C84)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Oct-11-05  Dionyseus: It was pretty much Svidler's doing. But even then, it's hard to fault Svidler, a second place finish would be a great result for him.
Oct-11-05  athom: Mheh...he drawed it again...it hurts no?
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Oct-11-05  Maroczy: So Svidler's not a fighter. Morozevich gave Topalov a good game second time around.
Oct-11-05
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  Eggman: <<By drawing this game, Topalov secures himself the WC-title.>>

Not true. Both Svidler and Anand can not only catch but perhaps even surpass Topalov by the end of the tournament.

Oct-11-05  TheSlid: <CG.com> I'm so sorry you had to restrict access to premium members (again). I know you would rather not have to do so. Yesterday was a bit much, though...Hope you come up with a solution you are really happy with!
Oct-11-05  tpstardefender: <TheSlid> Don't feel so sad. Now that I look, this game wasn't worth our time anyways.
Oct-11-05  ConspTheory06: Chessgames is there anyway that you could let everyone watch the game but only let premium members kibitz? I dont know if that would help the problem but it was an idea. I love watching the games and really missed todays!
Oct-11-05  Stonewaller2: What just happened? Needing a win to get within a half point of the leader with two rounds to go, GM Svidler played a 21-move GM draw in the Ruy? Was he more concerned with the seedings for 2006?

I'd remind GM Kramnik's detractors of Kramnik vs Leko, 2004, which he needed to win to tie the match and retain the Classical World Championship . . .

Oct-11-05  AlexanderMorphy: This is exactly what Topalov would have been looking for, a quick draw which almost surely makes him world champion now!
Oct-11-05  thomaspaine: I guess after the first half, all the other players got together and decided that if they could not stop Topa from winning the tournament, they could at least try to make sure he doesnt make new records!

So no highest ELO performance tournament records for Topa. What a pity!

Oct-11-05  Central Control: I expected more from Svidler, after all he is the one running out of time, not Topalov.
Oct-11-05  EmperorAtahualpa: Both played like cowards.
Oct-11-05
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  Gypsy: Look, Topalov had white pieces. He took the opening advantage and kept it solidly throughout, all the way to the end. He could have safely kept on trying for a win, as he was not in the least in a danger of losing. There was not much Svidler could do to make this game interesting, short of losing it.
Oct-11-05  Ulhumbrus: 12..exd4 concedes to White an advantage in space, and the bishop pair as well, as on Nf5, moving the B to f8 invites Bg5.
Oct-11-05  Ulhumbrus: 17 Bxe6 relinquishes the bishop pair.
Oct-11-05  veigaman: In the last round in <dortmound, svidler had the chance to win the tournament and guess? he agreed a early draw which helped to naidtisch to win the tournament. Now, he had the chance to fight for the worldchampion and guess? he agreed an early draw. Toppy deserves to be the worldchampion because he is mor ambixous
Oct-11-05
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: I've joked that the Marshall Gambit is a drawing weapon at this level of play--perhaps the Anti-Marshall is also a drawing weapon. The criticism of Topalov's conduct of the game is misplaced--he gave Svidler a grim choice: agree to a draw or play for the loss. That isn't cowardice, that is intelligence. Topalov isn't playing to win games at this point, he's playing to win the World Championship, and he has picked a strategy to win the entire tournament.

If anyone is at fault for the quick draw, it's Svidler, who didn't prepare a high-risk, high-reward line for this game.

Oct-11-05  Granite: <ConspTheory06: Chessgames is there anyway that you could let everyone watch the game but only let premium members kibitz? I dont know if that would help the problem but it was an idea.>

This wouldn't likely help them much at all. Basically the issue with live broadcasts is bandwidth which has both a cost and a physical limit. Kibitzing isn't a very high cost, but trasmitting the same data to thousands of people simultaneously and handling incoming requests takes up the lions share of the useage.

If the capacity of a site begins to exceed their ability to handle these factors they're forced to reduce load by either taking the feed down or restricting those watching in some way.

The best thing you could do to help with the problem is to become a premium member, and help offset the cost it takes to provide coverage. I know that probably isn't the solution you were hoping for, but I doubt there is some 'magic bullet' solution to the problem. Live broadcasts are unfortunately never going to be easy and I'm suprised that chessgames.com has managed to give them all away for free for so long.

Oct-11-05  csmath: <<Needing a win to get within a half point of the leader with two rounds to go, GM Svidler played a 21-move GM draw in the Ruy? Was he more concerned with the seedings for 2006?>>

His position is inferior, he has no chances to play for a win in this game. 14. ... Ne6 will be the key move here for the theory. That equalizes the games and there is little to play for after that move.

Topalov played with little ambition here but safe enough. If Svidler wanted to play for a win, he should have responded with a Sicilian.

Oct-12-05  melianis: <consptheory06> limited bandwith on server means too many open windows on a site, and (what do I know?) the only way to avoid this is to limit the access on the site or invest some serious money on cables and on server. Sure, one could allow someone else to start a mirror site, but this is usually something one must negotiate long before the need to do this occurs. And one really doesn't have to do this. I don't know how <chessgames.com> gets the data from Argentina, so I hope that registration is enough to see these games after they're played. Or then I'd sign for a premium membership.
Oct-12-05  Stonewaller2: <If Svidler wanted to play for a win, he should have responded with a Sicilian.> Behind 1.5 points with three rounds to play and facing the leader, shouldn't he have wanted to play for a win? I ain't got the chops to argue with any GM's moves in the Ruy Lopez, or the Sicilian, or any other opening, but I sure expected to see some fighting chess yesterday. It's as if the Boston Red Sox baseball team, down 3 games to 1 to the New York Yankees in a best of 7 series, decided to save their best players for later.
Oct-13-05  Averageguy: Topalov's becoming boring, just aiming for draws. That's one thing that Kasparov wouldn't do.
Oct-13-05  acirce: Not? Kasparov vs Anand, 2005
Oct-13-05  Averageguy: I suppose, It's just getting annoying that topalov has now drawn as many games as he has won, it's all getting boring.
Oct-13-05  acirce: Nothing wrong with draws. But I think this game is really the only one where you can argue that Topalov has actually really been playing for a draw. He came close to beating Morozevich, the perpetual against Anand was impossible for Black to avoid (it was only Anand who could have played on, but he chose not to) etc..
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