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Magnus Carlsen vs Evgeny Bareev
"Float Lke a Butterfly; Sting Like Bareev" (game of the day Jul-13-2010)
World Cup (2005) (rapid), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 4, Dec-08
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation. Van der Wiel Attack Bishop Hunt (B12)  ·  0-1

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Nov-06-18  Saniyat24: that Famous Chess Pun...! but the game was excellent too..famous Magnus hunt down by the brave-man...!
Nov-24-19  jith1207: <there's a typo in the typo>
Aug-28-21  Brenin: All I could see was 19 ... Nxg6 20 Bxd8 Nf4, but after 21 Qxe5 Nxh3 (sadly, the royal fork Nd3+ isn't on) 22 Ba5 Rxh4 Black's pieces are far from coherently placed. I missed the strength of the simple 20 ... Qxd8
Aug-28-21  mel gibson: I saw the text move after a few minutes of study. It's not much of a puzzle -

Stockfish 14 is calling it close to a draw.

19... Nxg6

(19.
.. Nxg6 (♘e7xg6 ♘d4-f5 f7-f6 ♗g5-e3 ♕d7-a4 ♕e2-d1 ♕a4-c6 h4-h5 ♘g6-e7 ♕d1-f3 ♕c6-c4 ♕f3-e2 ♕c4-a4 ♕e2-d1 ♕a4-e4 ♕d1-f3 ♕e4xf3 ♖h3xf3 ♔c8-d7 ♖a1-d1 ♔d7-e6 ♗e3-c5 ♘e7xf5 g4xf5+ ♔e6-f7 ♗c5xf8 ♔f7xf8 ♖f3-h3 ♔f8-e7 a2-a4 ♔e7-d6 ♔e1-e2 ♖d8-d7 a4-a5 ♔d6-c5 ♖h3-h4 d5-d4 c3xd4+ e5xd4 ♔e2-d3 ♔c5-b5 ♖d1-h1 ♔b5xa5 ♖h4xd4 ♖h8-d8 ♖d4xd7 ♖d8xd7+ ♔d3-c4 b7-b5+ ♔c4-c5 ♖d7-c7+ ♔c5-d6) +0.26/44 282)

score for Black +0.26 depth 44.

Aug-28-21
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  agb2002: Black is one knight down.

White threatens Nxh8, Nxf8, Nxe7 and Nxe5.

The chances along the e-file don't work: 19... exd4 20.Nxh8 Re8 21.0-0-0 looks winning for White.

Also 19... fxg6 20.Qxe5 looks bad for Black.

The rook on h3 and the white queen being on e2 suggests 19... Nxg6 and if 20.Bxd8 then 20... Qxd8 (20... exd4 21.Bg5 saves the bishop and the fork on f4 and 20... Nf4 21.Qxe5 Nxh3 22.Ba5 has a bit too many pieces around the black king) 21.Nf5 Nf4 recovers the material but doesn't seem to achieve a winning advantage.

I think I'd settle for 19... Nxg6.

Aug-28-21
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  Teyss: The puzzle is flawed but still interesting. The endgame Q vs R+B+N is worth looking at, White missing a win on move 43 as noted above. Might see surprising for Carlsen but it was a rapid and he was short on time.

Does anybody understand the pun? It's a Muhammad Ali quote, but what is the link to the game?

Aug-28-21  Nichth: <The Famous Chess Cat> Great pun. I did not know how lucky I was to submit my first pun and get it published the very next day. "Well, that was easy" I thought, and went on to submit pun after pun without any further success. I think I would have preferred to have waited for while, like you, to savour the moment.
Aug-28-21
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  Messiah: Ouch! :-)
Aug-28-21  Brenin: I'm afraid that, no matter how ingenious or memorable they are, puns based on wilfully mispronouncing a player's name don't really do it for me. In any case "Bareev" is (or at least can be) pronounced like "of" in English, just as, more famously, "ghoti" is pronounced like "fish". {Exercise for the reader: justify.)
Aug-28-21
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  OhioChessFan: <Brenin: I'm afraid that, no matter how ingenious or memorable they are, puns based on wilfully mispronouncing a player's name don't really do it for me.>

Fascinating. Be sure to tell us that on every such pun in the future. I bet everyone else will be as interested in knowing as I am.

Aug-28-21
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  chrisowen: Post-mortem evicts Nxg6 hobbles achtung munchy against revamp quippers post-mortem evicts pamela wobbles bracken visage quoths nod its don evicts avidus fondly laddy fugazi its jezebel its marbled its hikes vocal z it wispy goofball blusher gifted its flight of the navigator evicts visage gungho flusher it suffragette again v dank and dusty bolly bolly niger ovid wood river blunder I g6 buzz ard the damage is ng6 holy cow like christ g6 nails old boots gifted at rap fee volume revere abbey toss negligent fable it single ye rev i another mount ar a fat chisen evicts chi v as sown had huffle arrives dessicate evicts aid we papabear dr hi agains deaffade pink hearts yellow moons clavicle cuffed its totadd general grabby ghouls evicts etcetera its whoppers evicts uvrays truly data-head gobble cuffs its z define Nxg6 it is aether...
Aug-28-21
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  beenthere240: 20. Bxd8 looks pretty bad to me. Unless you think black ?missed ? the fact that his rook would be en prise.
Aug-28-21
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  chrisowen: There ng6 still fighting :)
Aug-28-21
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  Teyss: <OCF: I bet everyone else will be as interested in knowing as I am.> Well, I am.

Bareev = Bee, that's settled though inaccurate but still don't get the link to the game.

Aug-28-21
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  chrisowen: Summon the energy alter g6 yes no as x
Aug-28-21
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  chrisowen: Jove by pause for thought no?
Aug-28-21  Stanco: It is obvious, 19.Nxg6 is the only move to keep up with the game. White should have won, 43.Qf8 was a terrible error.
Aug-28-21
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  Breunor: According to Stockfish white isn't really leading until after 24 ... g6?

On 24:

4...g5 25.Qxh3 gxh4 26.Qe3 h3 27.Rh1 Qe6 28.Rxh3 Rxh3 = 0.00 (24 ply) game is even. After 25 Ne3 white is up a point. Then white's lead increases until the blunder.

Aug-29-21  Brenin: <OhioChessFan>: Thank your for your interest in my posting. Rather than take up your suggestion of repeating the comment every time I see such a pun (they are so frequent that I think even you might tire of the repetition), I will briefly explain why I do not like them. (I hope you find this equally interesting.)

If I were to meet GM Bareev (or indeed any other person of a different nationality), either at chess or socially, I would make an effort to pronounce his name correctly, since failure to make this effort would be both lazy and insulting. Kibitzing or punning on a game of theirs is the closest I am ever likely to come to meeting any GM, alive or dead. When I do so I am taking advantage of several hours of their intense intellectual concentration, and probably also of emotional involvement, together with many years of preparation. At such a virtual meeting of minds, I feel that they deserve the same respect I would give them in real life. That is why a pun based on a lazy or ignorant mispronunciation such as "bar-eve" here leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. I fully accept that others may have different views on such puns.

Aug-29-21
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  OhioChessFan: To my surprise, I find that interesting. I don't think any player's name should ever be made fun of, or used in a demeaning/embarrassing way. I once convinced Daniel to change a pun in the middle of the day on that basis. But I don't mind at all what Daniel called "visual puns". But okay, I get your point. As for the pun of this game, it's a pun of this game.
Aug-29-21
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  moronovich: I have been to France many times and there they always pronounce my first name slightly different.I find it quite charming.
Aug-29-21  nok: Moreau novich?
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Aug-29-21
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  moronovich: Good catch !, <nok> .
Jan-17-22
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  enog: When I saw the final position it felt like a forced mate. Sure enough after 46.. Kc6, then 47.. Nd5 the net closes
Jan-17-22
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  enog: To piggy back on a previous note 43 Qf8+??
43 Kb6 wins, but its a strange winning move in a strange position. Normally a Queen check like that doesn't lose, but in this case it does.
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