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Eero Hintikka vs Olli Koskinen
"Another Fine Mess" (game of the day Jan-08-2006)
FIN jub20 corr8184 (1981) (correspondence), Finland
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf. Zagreb (Fianchetto) Variation (B91)  ·  1-0



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Jan-08-06  Bishops r power: 1st point: Black shouldn't have gave up. One should fight till their last breadth 2nd point: a kamikaze after white castled could give a win to white long time ago
Jan-08-06  blingice: 1: Completely wrong. ♘ v. ♗ in endgame is basically lost, unless the ♘ is on the right side.

2: I think one of those would work only for Morphy or Greco. If you truly believe so, please post a line.

Black, tactically, traded too much away and left his ♘ and ♗ forkable. He basically blundered and lost himself the game on move 43, and although it was unforseeable, the ♘ didn't have a real benefit being there anyway.

Jan-08-06  thathwamasi: Can Someone explain that pun for me?
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: "Well Stan, this is another fine mess you got us into." "Sorry, Ollie."

Signature line from many Laurel & Hardy films.

Jan-08-06  notsodeepthought: Thanks, I never realized "... another fine mess..." was part of the routine in Laurel and Hardy flicks - that's what I get for growing up watching dubbed movies, I guess.
Jan-08-06  Gowe: First) is a correspondece match and the end is pretty clear: Win for white.

Second)A kamikaze. Oh man, what are you talking about. Chess is not words, chess is moves. Please bring us a move. A combination.

Jan-08-06  Jarlaxle: i agree with Gowe... what are you even talking about bishops r power? i dont think you even know..
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  OhioChessFan: What was the point of d3?
Jan-08-06  Achilles87: Would 43.Bd5 help matters for black?
Jan-08-06  itz2000: 7..d5? 8..d4? not the usual Scillian Nadjorf.... didn't like it... I think better exchange 7 .. Bxf5 or 7..Nc6 followed by Nd4 and if Bc1 goes somewhere else then Bd2 black queen goes Qb6 when the reason is offcourse Qxb2.

I'd be happy to get a comments on my thoughts... I'm not sure though how good they are.... thanks.

Jan-08-06  sitzkrieg: I liked your comments <bisshops are power>, thanks!

<Ohio> Do you mean Qd3? Maybe to prevent black's Qc4 with entry in white s position f.e. after gxf exf and the knight on g4 falls.

Jan-08-06  dakgootje: <sitzkrieg> Think he meant 41. ...d3
Jan-08-06  dakgootje: p.s.: Expected when i saw the pun a game where Reuben Fine would mess it all up on a brilliant way or something, so i was a kind of surpriced when i didnt see Fine as one of the players
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  Sneaky: <this is another fine mess you got us into> is actually one of those famous quotes that was never said. Hardy would actually say "another NICE mess you've gotten us into."

And Bogart never said "Play it again, Sam", and Cagney never said "You dirty rat!", and Tarzan never said "Me Tarzan, you Jane!", but if people want to remember them that way, I have no problems.

Jan-08-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Hey nice, I submitted this game only a few days ago to <> :)

41...d3 is indeed a weird move, I don't see any justification for it. After that Hintikka neatly manages to convert the game to his advantage.

One nice thing about 44.f6! is that the f-pawn cannot be captured because 44...Nxf6?! 45.Qa8+! The game is over after 47.Ke4!

Actually White to move at move 47 would also have made a good puzzle.

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  TheAlchemist: <notsodeepthought> "Stanlio, come sei stupído" right? :-))
Jan-08-06  Larsker: Italian dubbing is mostly pretty bad. Not so much the translation but the people talking seem to always stand in the same room devoid of any other sound or noise. In fact it's pretty depressing to listen too - very lifeless. One happy exception I know of is the film "Rain man" which is better in Italian than in English. (Try to say "Charlie baby" with an Italian accent).

As to <mahmoudkubbas> latest post over at the café, I have no particular opinion.

Jan-08-06  notsodeepthought: <TheAlchemist: <notsodeepthought> "Stanlio, come sei stupído" right? :-))> That's right, lol - "come (or "quanto") sei stupIdo" (i.e., pronounced by Ollio with a stress on the "i", even though the correct pronounciation is stUpido). Incidentally, did you know that Alberto Sordi (fairly well-known actor of that time) dubbed both Laurel and Hardy, switching voice pitch depending on whose line it was?
Jan-08-06  notsodeepthought: <Larsker> Generally speaking I disfavor dubbing in any language - I really get turned off seeing the actor's lips moving in total silence (because the dubbed line is already over), or his mouth shut while he somehow finishes speaking... Give me the original with subtitles any day, I can always read those if I don't understand the language.
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  TheAlchemist: <Larsker> I like the dubbing for Eddie Murphy's trademark smile, it's very unlike the original and, in my opinion, even better. Also, I think they do a good job dubbing the cartoons.
Jan-08-06  olaf4lena: Germans do a fantastic job of dubbing movies. I saw Hunt for Red October in German, before English. Quite convincing. On the other hand "Days of Thunder" had a thin, weenie voice to Tom Cruise.
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  patzer2: Here's an interesting puzzle from this game after the possibility 40...Bc4:

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[If 40...Bc4?, find White's (41. ?) winning move.]

Jan-08-06  weisyschwarz: I think Black was doing well for the first half of the game. After the exchange of the rooks, (26...Rxd1) and forfeiting the file to the White queen, his solid position went down the drain. For a while his e-pawn had promise.
Jan-09-06  sitzkrieg: <dakgootje: <sitzkrieg> Think he meant 41. ...d3>

But that one is too obvious!

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  kevin86: Here is an illustration how a bishop can be better than a knight. He just gobbles up the black pawns while the knight can only look by in horror. It would be much more problematic if all pieces save for the bishop were one file to the right.
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