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| Jun-09-10 | | newzild: By the way, this game is a great advertisement for the Kan Sicilian. The Sicilian really is a wonderful beast when things work out for black. Not so much fun when White springs a novelty on move 15, though. |
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| Jun-09-10 | | whiteshark: On wondering about <22...Qxc5>: I've heard Tal also sac'd pieces this way. Later they found them unsound, but OTB it cracked his opponent. |
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Jun-09-10
 | | scormus: A great GOTD, and one that left me intrigued at several turns. 22 .... Qxc5 has been discussed, but I rather thought the postion after 20 ... Kd7 was pivotal. There must be some reason why W should not play f6+ but I do not see it. After the text, I feel the momentum swings B's way, but he had to negotiate some difficult passages. I need to look at it again when I have more time. |
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| Jun-09-10 | | kellmano: 21. f6+ Kc7 and the white queen is attacked buy the bishop on c8. Gotta love the games of MVL. |
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| Jun-09-10 | | Marmot PFL: White had to play 21 f6+ Kc7 22 Rxc8+ Rxc8 23 fxe7 and he is fine, as 23...ed3 loses to 24 Qxc8+. |
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Jun-09-10
| | scormus: <MarmotPFL > thanks, I thought it should go that way too, but wasnt sure about the eval. 23 ... Nxe7 24 Qh4 is interesting, and sharp |
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| Jun-09-10 | | kevin86: As the pawn crashes through,the game comes tumbling down. |
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Jun-09-10
 | | Jimfromprovidence: Why not 36 Nxe6?
click for larger viewIf 36...fxe6, after 37 Qf8+ Ka7 38 Qf2+ b6 Qd4, white should be OK. (Black cannot play Qg1#) 
click for larger viewIf 36...d2, then either 37 Kc2 or even better 37 Nc7+. 
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| Jun-09-10 | | Atking: Excellent title from <CG.C>. The way pawn falls in d2, the way black king seems attract to a7, all in a deep sense of gravity. |
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| Jun-09-10 | | CapablancaFan122: I didn't look at the score and as I played throughout the game I thought white was going to win this until the last few moves. Great game by Lagrave! |
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Jun-09-10
| | scormus: <Jim> Yes, another example of how this game yields a super-abundance of CG puzzles. What should B do now? If 36 ... Qe5 37 Nd4 and W's position looks secure. What about ... Qg6. If now 37 Nd4 then d2 wins. Perhaps 37 Kc1 Qxe6 or 37 Qd2 fxe6 and it still looks better for B, not sure if it's winning. |
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Jun-09-10
| | Jimfromprovidence: <csormus> <Yes, another example of how this game yields a super-abundance of CG puzzles. What should B do now?
If 36 ... Qe5 37 Nd4 and W's position looks secure. What about ... Qg6. If now 37 Nd4 then d2 wins. Perhaps 37 Kc1 Qxe6 or 37 Qd2 fxe6 and it still looks better for B, not sure if it's winning.> After 36 Nxe6 Qg6 37 Nc7+ still looks pretty good.
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After the forced 37... Kb8 then 38 Nxa6+ will force either 38...Qxa6 or 38...bxa6. If the pawn takes then the king can move to c1. If the queen takes then white should take black's f pawn. |
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| Jun-09-10 | | ajile: It appears someone was in La-grave danger in this game. |
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Jun-09-10
| | scormus: <Jim> thanks, you're right. Amazing how easy it was to believe 35 ... Ka8 was the winning stroke. But if that wasn't the best move, it's tough to find the one that was. Tremendous sharp game, more like knife-fight |
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| Jun-09-10 | | ajile: It would appear that Black got the Maxime-mum out of his opening. |
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| Jun-09-10 | | lzromeu: <Jimfromprovidence: Why not 36 Nxe6?> <If 36...fxe6, after 37 Qf8+ Ka7 38 Qf2+ b6 Qd4, white should be OK. (Black cannot play Qg1#)> BLACK 39...QD2 zwgzwang |
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Jun-09-10
| | Jimfromprovidence: <Izromeu> Jimfromprovidence: Why not 36 Nxe6?
If 36...fxe6, after 37 Qf8+ Ka7 38 Qf2+ b6 Qd4, white should be OK. (Black cannot play Qg1#)> <BLACK 39...QD2 zwgzwang> 40 Qd7+ etc. should be a draw, then.
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| Jun-09-10 | | Atking: If 36...fxe6, after 37 Qf8+ Ka7 38 Qf2+ b6 Qd4, white should be OK. (Black cannot play Qg1#) <Jim> Did you test 38...Kb8 (Usually the king should not be afraid of queen alone) 39.Qf8+ Kc7 40.Qf7+ Qe7 Or maybe better (Under <CG.C's gravity advice> ): 40...Kd6 41.Qf8+ Ke5 42.Qh8+ Qf6 43.Qb8+ Ke4 44.Qxb7 Ke3 45.Qb6+ Kd2 46.a3 Qf1+ 47.Ka2 Kc1eccetera. I'm blindfolding the line here but probably this is one line you should test. |
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Jun-10-10
| | Jimfromprovidence: <atking><If 36...fxe6, after 37 Qf8+ Ka7 38 Qf2+ b6 Qd4, white should be OK. (Black cannot play Qg1#) <Jim> Did you test 38...Kb8 (Usually the king should not be afraid of queen alone) 39.Qf8+ Kc7 40.Qf7+ Qe7 Or maybe better (Under <CG.C's gravity advice> ): 40...Kd6 41.Qf8+ Ke5 42.Qh8+ Qf6 43.Qb8+ Ke4 44.Qxb7 Ke3 45.Qb6+ Kd2 46.a3 Qf1+ 47.Ka2 Kc1eccetera. I'm blindfolding the line here but probably this is one line you should test.> 39 Qd4 looks good enough here to keep things equalized.
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| Jun-10-10 | | Atking: <Jim> Thanks for the diagram, that helps to think about it. Well after your Qd4 why not 39...Qg2 with the idea to cover in b7. I mean 40.Qd8+ Ka7 41.Qd4+ b6 42.Qd7+ Qb7 as 43.Qxd3 Qh1+ 44.Kc2 Qxh2+ the queen comes back and with 2 passed pawns a difficult ending for White will start. A line which comes in mind is 42.a3 Qh1+ 43.Ka2 Qxh2 and now 44.Qd7+ Kb8 45.Qd8+ Kb7 46.Qd7+ Qc7 47.Qxe6 b5 48.Qd5+ As the pawn ending is lost white should keep the queen 48...Qc6 49.Qf7+ Kb6 50.Qxh7 Qd5+. Queens ending aren't easy so white could hope for a draw but I doubt that one is obvious. If it was such GM like Sadvakasov will have play it. |
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Jun-10-10
| | Jimfromprovidence: <Atking> Excellent analysis, but I am not sure there's a win there. When you get to your move 46 for white, he can play 46 Qxd3, below, threatening Qd7+ and the e pawn as well.
click for larger viewIf black plays 46...Qc7, then white has Qe4+, winning one of the two remaining black pawns. 
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| Jun-11-10 | | Atking: Thanks for your kind words <Jim> but I have no doubt that these GMs will saw that maybe more just in few sec. The last line could be improve by 42...Qxh2 first as now 43.Qxd3 goes to a lost pawn ending (43...Qh1+ 44.Kc2 Qg2+ 45.Kc1 Qg5+) So White may try again 43.Qd7+ Kb8 44.Qd8+ Kb7 45.Qd7+ Qc7 46.Qxe6 this time with a King on b1. Black plan may belong on the pawn ending. e.g 46...a5 47.Qd5+ Qc6 48.Qf7+ Ka6 49.Qxh7 as you noted white recovers the pawn but the initiative is in balck hands. 49...Qd5 (For d2) 50.Kc1 Qf3 A difficult move which took me a lot of time yesterday 51.Qh2 Qf1+ 52.Kd2 Qb1 53.Ke3 Kb5 (Now black king could find security behind white pawns) 54.Qe5+ Ka4 55.Qd5! (55.Qe8+ Kb3 56.Qb5+ Ka2 57.Qxd3 (Obvioulsy not Qxb6? ~ Qg1+ neither b4 ~Qe1+ Kxd3 Qf1+ both winning the queen) 57.QxQd3+ 58.KxQ Kxb2 59.Kc4 Kxa3 60.Kb5 Kb3 61.Kxb6 a4 The pawn will queen first then Qa8) 55...Qxb2 This ending is still difficult. But as I said I really doubt that's equal. White is working for a draw Black for a win.What we do right now is more and less a correspondance chess analysis. I'm agree with the position is very interesting. In practical play the position will be judge to Black advantage doesn't mean of course a force win. |
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Jun-11-10
| | Jimfromprovidence: <Atking> If you want 42...Qxh2 instead, then white goes back to 43 Qd7+.
click for larger viewBlack has no coverage for the king. The position looks like a draw. I think black will keep his h pawn but will lose both the d and e pawns. |
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| Jun-11-10 | | Atking: May be my English wasn't enough clear <Jim> (English is not my mother tongue), the move you suggest here is my main line up. < White may try again 43.Qd7+ Kb8 44.Qd8+ Kb7 45.Qd7+ Qc7 46.Qxe6 this time with a King on b1...>. The queen covers in c7. Of course this is not an easy ending In my opinion under zone of along fight - draw for White win for Black -. |
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| Dec-02-18 | | SpiritedReposte: Ok this game is a little complicated. |
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