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Peter Svidler vs Veselin Topalov
"Saavedra Revisited" (game of the day Nov-30-2016)
Morelia-Linares (2006), Morelia MEX, rd 1, Feb-18
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1-0



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Feb-19-06  danielpi: Berlin Defense? Who does this Topalov guy think he is? The champion?

<jhoro> Re: Svidler <...he has problems keeping it up for an entire tournament. He quickly loses focus...>

We're talking about chess, right?

Feb-19-06  mulondabl: What time are the games starting? please give your time as GMT time.
Feb-19-06  Kangaroo: Here is the analysis from <<Hesam7>: 57. f8=Q a2 58. Qc8 Kb6 59. Qd8 Kb5 60. Qd7 Kb6 61. Qa4 Rh3 62. Qxa2 Rh2 63. Ke3 Rh3 64. Ke4 Kb5 65. b3 Kc6 66. Qa4 Kb6 67. bxc4 Rh4 68. Kf5 Rh5 69. Kf4 Rh4 70. Ke5> answering questions on what would have happened if Topalov played <57 ... a2> instead of <57 ... axb2>> Very nice work, regardless of whether the work was done by a human being or a computer!
Feb-19-06  alicefujimori: <danielpi>It's not like this is the first time that Topalov is playing the Berlin.

Anyway, great game by Svidler. It's so good to see him playing strong chess like this.

Feb-19-06  jhoro: <We're talking about chess, right?> I wouldn't know about the other thing. Though it would be pretty impressive to keep it up even just for one game. I'd vote him instant viagra spokesman.
Feb-19-06  ahmadov: <ahmadov: I am cirtain that Svidler will win this game. We will witness this within a few hours.> This was my post before the game. I am happy that my prediction came ture. Bravo Svidler.
Feb-19-06  jhoro: very impressive <ahmadov>! i'd suggest you change your name to <nostradamov> ;) tell us more...
Feb-19-06  Father Karras: I must be getting old. It used to be that when a world champion loses a game, I got pretty excited. Now the world champ loses and it seems normal.
Feb-19-06  ahmadov: <jhoro> ;))) No, no nostradamov, of my predictions for round one only this and other one came true. I guessed Radjabov and Vallejo to draw, but they lost.
Feb-19-06  ahmadov: I see this game as a punishment of Topalov by a friend of Kramnik for chickening out of playing a reunification match.
Feb-19-06  SanChess: Bad choice of openning for Topalov. He's a very good tactician and would outplay Svidler in an dynamic, sharp tactical system. He chose instead a queenless defense with the uncastled king stuck in the centre, disconnected rooks, spatial constraint, no maneuvrability and no initiative. Just what Svidler needed to positionally squeeze him and deny him of any counterplay. Well done, Peter!
Feb-19-06  yataturk: Un believ ab ly sharp game...
Feb-19-06  DCP23: <SanChess>
Nobody would outplay Svidler in a sharp tactical system. Svidler is chess960 World Champ, which means he is the best calculator in the world. Better than Aronian, better then Anand, better then Topalov. He is just not a fighter like Kasparov or Topalov, that's why he's number 4 now and not number 1.
Feb-19-06  ahmadov: <DCP23> Very good depiction of Svidler's status in modern chess.
Feb-19-06  euripides: Svidler beat Kramnik last year with a similar idea, pushing the K-side pawns forward in a Petrov: Svidler vs Kramnik, 2005
Feb-19-06  SanChess: <DCP23> I think Svidler is an all-rounder with a positional edge and, given a chance, he will choose positional rather than sharp play, unlike Moro or the same Topalov. He blundered against Topalov in San Luis in the type of unbalanced, tactically rich position where his opponent excelled not only against him but also with regards to the rest of the field. I do agree with you on the point of Svidler's lack of fighting spirit which may just be lack of concentration, ambition or both. Based on those factors, Topalov could have benefited from a more active and tense choice. He was easily outplayed last night.
Feb-19-06  Caissanist: < I must be getting old. It used to be that when a world champion loses a game, I got pretty excited. Now the world champ loses and it seems normal.> Well, it could mean that you're not that old at all! Those of us who only knew Karpov and Kasparov as world champions are accustomed to think of the champ as clearly better than the other top GMs, with maybe one other player truly challenging his dominance. But in the forty years or so before them and Fischer (roughly 1932-1972) the world champion was not dominant and more often than not was probably not the best. This is why IMHO Kasparov's reign is more impressive than any other champion's; nobody else was able to constantly reaffirm his position by defeating the rest of the world's best several times a year for fifteen years, the way that he did. The only other champion who did at all was Karpov.

Feb-19-06  Ziggurat: <Svidler is chess960 World Champ, which means he is the best calculator in the world.> Hmm ... this would mean that the only two elements of chess are a) opening theory and b) calculation. If a) disappears, as in Chess960, then the best calculator wins. But couldn't it be something else than pure calculating ability - strategical intuition, or good evaluation of non-standard positions - that makes Svidler the best at Chess960?
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  Mateo: After 42. a4, Svidler was threatening Re5. This suggests 42... Bd6. After this move, it would have been difficult for White, despite his obvious advantage, to get a win out of it.

I think that would have been better than 42... ba?, which gave a won game to Svidler, who had too many targets on both sides (xa4, a5, c4, g6).

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  Joshka: I think it's kinda telling for the World's Chess Champion's, SECOND!, to defeat the FIDE Champ on the white side of the Berlin, after crushing the former World Champion on the black side;-)
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  Joshka: <Caissanist> <who did it at all was Karpov> All because Fischer was not around, even though I think I have read that Kasparov thinks having Fischer playing matches with Karpov,that this would have made even Karpov stronger than he was. So if this is true, and Karpov was stronger, could this in turn, have made Kasparov even stronger that he was!?
Feb-19-06  babakova: We had some cutting edge analysis of this game earlier that went something like : This game will probably be drawn since the queens came off so quickly.
Feb-19-06  martynrob: in the first ten moves topalov lost the right to castle moved the same knight six times oh and he was playing black nice system
Feb-19-06  vspatel: Topalov and Svidler played this same opening with some new moves in 1998. Svidler also won that game!!!
Feb-19-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Wow, I left the live coverage of this game after move 40 or something, but I didn't expect this spectacular continuation!! I should have stayed up longer.. :(

Great game, Mr. Svidler!

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