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Kelly Cottrell vs Aleksandr Lenderman
US Championship 2006 (2006), San Diego, CA USA, rd 8, Mar-10
Slav Defense: Quiet Variation. Schallopp Defense (D12)  ·  0-1

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Mar-13-06  apawnandafool: You're right. It's silly. I thought <Sami jr> had a great question and I thought <notyetagm> provided a very poor answer.
Mar-13-06  euripides: Sami <My question is if 19. fxg3, (i.e. if white took bishop with the other pawn) What would black have responded instead? 19. ... Nd7 f6?. Was black hoping that white would make that mistake?> I think that Black was trying to force fxg3 because the resulting pawn structure is problematic for White; e3 is a permanent weakness and White's hopes of playing f3 vanish. Although there are exceptions, it is likely to make sense to keep the White pawns together. 18...Bxg3 looks like the right move to me. After 19 fxe3 your Ndf6 looks sensible; I would also look at 19...Re6 and 19...Nxd2.
Mar-13-06  McCool: Low-rated white should have resigned.
Mar-13-06  Sami Jr: <euripides> Thanks for your comment. I did not mean to cause disputes amongst users with my initial post, I was merely trying to get in black's frame of thinking to evaluate his best possible response if 19 fxe3. I appreciate everyones comments in helping me become a better player as I have learned much from the cg posts.
Mar-13-06  MorphyMatt: One of the easiest puzzles yet. 1.89948869695884444848673 seconds.
Mar-13-06  notyetagm: <keypusher: ... And it looks like <notyetagm> understood this in his initial post, which is why he put two question marks after 19 hg (not to mention there were three pages of kibitzes on Black's winning combination by then).>

Thanks.

I do not understand how many times I have to write 19 hxg3?? with two question marks before they understand that I know that the move is a tactical error.

I was trying to explain to them how 19 fxg3 leaves a giant permanent hole on e4 and how the bad d2-bishop is in the resulting position, i.e., the reasons why White did not want to play it.

For some inexplicable reason, they cannot seem to grasp that a move that you want to play for strategic/positional reasons (19 ... hxg3??, again with two question marks for the upteenth time) can be a huge tactical mistake and that a move that you have to make (19 fxg3) can strategically/positionally lose the game.

A great strategic player like Petrosian, Capablanca, or Karpov would probably win quite often from the Black side of the position resulting from 19 fxg3. The given eval of 0.8 shows that Black is much better although material is even, due to his possessing the strategic assets that I have mentioned several times now.

Mar-13-06  Fezzik: If you're interested in a world clas game with a similar theme, check out Petrosian-Spassky World Championship match game 9, 1966.
Mar-13-06  Fezzik: The link on this site is: Petrosian vs Spassky, 1966
Mar-13-06  MindRotorVias: <Sami Jr>I use Rybka running in the "multi PV" mode which lets me see a score for each possible move. A very useful feature.
Mar-13-06  notyetagm: <Fezzik> Brilliant combination by Petrosian in that game, if that is the game which ends with 30 ♕h8+!!.
Mar-13-06  N. Passant: more heat than light in here...
Mar-13-06
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  keypusher: And just to button this up for good, here's a real rare example of fg being a positionally good move!

Seirawan vs Tal, 1985

Mar-13-06
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: For a great example of a game where fxg is better than hxg, check out Alekhine vs Rubinstein, 1912. Make sure you read the commentary of Kasparov, kindly provided by <acirce>.
Mar-14-06  apawnandafool: .

<keypusher that's the game. good job!>

<mendel - really impressed that you found it!>

"Rules are made to be broken." -Kelly Cottrell-Finegold

Jun-01-06  Nomen Nescio: This reminds me of yahoo players who refuse to reisgn.
Jul-22-07  SniperOnKN2: What's a class B/A doing in a GM/IM/FM tournament? And Why wasn't Irina Krush selected to participate?
Jul-22-07
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  WannaBe: <SniperOnKN2> The 2006 tournament drew its qualifiers from other U.S. tournaments, and Kelly qualified. I can't remember which tournament it was.

The 2006 tournament also had a schedule change. There were many participants that didn't make it, due to the starting date change.

But I can't remember if Ms. Krush didn't make it because of that, or she didn't qualify from one of the other tournaments.

Jul-22-07  arunjangity: might not have helped, but i feel it is unfair that she had only 4 whites in her 9 games. shouldn't there be some rule that lower rated players get more whites if an odd number of games?
Oct-08-18  AlicesKnight: Ah - a more normal Monday; ....Rh1+ forces capture, when ...Nxf2 wins the White Q. Even if the N cannot escape Black has a plus....
Oct-08-18  et1: new puzzle ?
Oct-08-18  et1: second puzzle of the day !
Oct-08-18  RookFile: Bambi vs. Wolf. This wasn't pretty.
Oct-08-18  YoungEd: Resignation was not premature.
Oct-08-18  zb2cr: 19. ... Rh1+; 20. Kxh1, Nxf2+ and Black has won the Queen for a Rook.
Oct-08-18
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  Pedro Fernandez: <<zb2cr: 19. ... Rh1+; 20. Kxh1, Nxf2+ and Black has won the Queen for a Rook.> That's right. After that any additional move is totally irrelevant.
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