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Milos Pavlovic vs Magnus Carlsen
XXII Reykjavik Open (2006), Reykjavik ISL, rd 6, Mar-11
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense (C78)  ·  0-1

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Jun-25-11
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  Colonel Mortimer: <How many here would willingly chunk a Rook ... in a TOURNAMENT game?????

Don't most people resign before resorting to that?>

Nope

A J Goldsby vs Tkachiev, 1995

Jun-25-11
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  Once: <Colonel Mortimer> For someone who doesn't like AJ you spend a long time looking at his games. And researching what he says about mating patterns. And reading what he says. And talking about him.

It seems that, like BOSTER having a continual pop at me, you've got yourself a nice little hobby going there. I am sure it gives you a real sense of achievement and pride.

Sorry, that last bit was meant to be ironic, which doesn't usually travel well in text. In other words - give it a rest, huh? It's getting very stale and boring.

Jun-25-11
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  Colonel Mortimer: And you tailing me? Rather absurd isn't it?
Jun-25-11
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  Colonel Mortimer: Of the last 4 above posts only the first 2 are chess related. <once> went off topic and I responded. I love how the righteous are so hypocritical without realising.
Jun-25-11
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  Once: I'm trying to keep the peace. What are you trying to do?

The absurd thing here is hunting through AJ's games to try to pick fault. It smacks of desperation and pettiness. It's playground stuff lke chanting "liar, liar, pants on fire."

And before AJ reacts angrily (and with some justification), I am going to react calmly. To help you see exactly who is being hypocritical here.

Time to move on.

Jun-25-11  Bureaucrat: AJ, I liked your web page with analysis of the game. Thanks!
Jun-25-11
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  Colonel Mortimer: <once> <And before AJ reacts angrily (and with some justification), I am going to react calmly. To help you see exactly who is being hypocritical here.>

I answered <AJ>'s question. I'm surprised you find this so offensive.

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: <<Jun-25-11 Bureaucrat: AJ, I liked your web page with analysis of the game. Thanks!>>

Thank you, thank you, very much!
(I would throw in a million exclams here, but then some <well-intentioned-person> would probably point out that I am always overdoing things.)

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera...

Three e-mails and one or two people here said they enjoyed the web page.

Thanks all.

Jun-26-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @AJ

I looked at your webpage and have some corrections for you:

the opening is not an Arkhangelsk but the Møller variation;

Leko innovated with 10.axb5 here Leko vs Adams, 1998 Nothing particularly unusual about the opening.

13. Qd3 in the GOTD was a suggestion of Bologan's. In the Leko-Adams game 13. d5 saw 13...Ne7; Leko suggested 13...Na7 in his notes. (You only mention 13...Na5)

Feel free to correct your notes with this info and no need to accredit. :o)

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: MCO calls it the "Arch-Angel" or Arkangelsk Var. (City in Russia with that name.)

Good enough for me.

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: BTW, I have five bookcases full of chess books, about 30-50 on the Ruy Lopez (alone) ... never seen that anywhere before ...

but I shall do some more research.

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: Right now, I see no need to make any changes (at all!) to my web page ...

LOTS of people would like to see their favorite player mentioned ... OR their favorite line. But that has nothing to do with analysis.

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: Of course, IF you have an idea you are serious about OR can quote a mjor reference work, (I have them all.); you are invited to send me an e-mail!
Jun-26-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @AJ

John Emms "Easy Guide to the Ruy Lopez" is one standard reference which names 5...b5/6...Bc5 or 5...Bc5 the Møller Variation.

The reason for differentiating between the two is precisely because Black hasn't played ...Bb7. They are two different systems.

They are closely related because in the latter play can go 6...Bb7 7. Re1 Bc5. Whilst, 6...Bc5 7. c3 d6 8. a4 Rb8 9. d4 Bb6 10. axb5 axb5 11. Na3 0-0 12. Nxb5 Bg4 has been tested at the highest levels for years.

Leko's annotations are in Informator 73/386

Jun-26-11  SimonWebbsTiger: Khalifman in Volume II of <Opening for White According to Anand> (Chess Stars 2003) also calls 5...Bc5/5...Bc5 6. c3 b5 7. Bb3 the Møller system, although he chooses to call 5...b5 6. Bb3 Bc5 7. c3 d6 8. a4 the Malanjuk-Onischuk system (which is fair enough since both guys played it alot down the years).

The first time I saw the name for 5...Bc5 was in <Modern Chess Opening Strategy> by Harry Golombek (first published in 1959), who called it the Moller or Classical Defence Deferred .

Your references as requested, AJ

Jun-26-11  SimonWebbsTiger: btw, I insist on the Møller Defence for the simple reason - as a Dane - I want my countryman recognised. :o)
Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: As I said before, the discussion is now CLOSED!

For me (and MOST people - who have told me REPEATEDLY that they come here for chess) ... this is a CHESS site. I shall honor that by trying to stick to chess.

IF you want to discuss ANY other topic ... send me an e-mail.

Jun-26-11  LIFE Master AJ: Thank you everyone who said they liked the web page ...
Jun-26-11  Everyone: <LMAJ> Hey! You knew about it! :)
Jun-26-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @AJ

I am discussing chess.

You mention 13. d5 Na5 on your webpage, unaware that 13. d5 Ne7 was seen in a top GM game; also Leko suggested 13...Na7 as better than your move; 13. Qd3 was an untested suggestion of Bologan before this Carlsen game.

The Møller Defence and Arkhangelsk <are> different systems due to the placement/development of the c8 bishop.

I am just mentioning this because you have used some notes discussing the opening. The problem is I think they are woefully inadequate. Just take this:

<One popular reference gives the following continuation: 6...Bb7; 7.Re1 Bc5; 8.c3 d6; 9.d4 Bb6; 10.Be3 0-0; 11.Nbd2 h6; 12.h3, " " 12...Rb8; and while White may have a small edge here, Black's position is very playable.>

That line is utterly harmless. Most attention in the past 20 odd years has gone to 10. Bg5 or 10. a4 0-0 11. Bg5, in both cases with sharp, unclear play. If you have 30-50 books on the Lopez you ought to know that.

Funny that you always quote MCO despite your shelves of books -- with all due respect to Nick de Firmian, he does a good job as editor, MCO can hardly be considered a serious reference book (although it, like NCO and BCO, has sufficient coverage for club players). ECO has decidedly more; the Khalifman series is useful; NIC Yearbook is always good, e.g. the <neo>-Archangel, as the Møller (5...b5 6. Bb3 Bc5) also seems to be called more often, is looked at in surveys in YBs 50, 58, 71, 89....

In your game analysis, I noticed this:

<Or Black could have tried: RR19...Ng6!; 20.Qe2 Qc6; "/+" with a clear edge>

"RR19...Ng6!" How curious. RR is standard Informator code for Editor's comment. How did that RR slip in since you surely haven't stolen somebody's work, have you?

If you are going to write opening notes, why not do it properly by putting in the research? It's just a suggestion which you can choose to listen to instead of ignore as is your want on basically everything.

Jun-26-11
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  Colonel Mortimer: <SimonWebbsTiger:> <The Møller Defence and Arkhangelsk <are> different systems due to the placement/development of the c8 bishop.>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruy_Lo...

That's always been my understanding too. Maybe <Eric Schiller> might like to comment.

Aug-31-17  Dave12: Pure calculation and tactics.
Aug-31-17
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  beenthere240: Why don't you guys like LMAJ? Surely life is too short to be nasty. Ahimsa, Johnny Pissoff.
Aug-31-17
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  perfidious: <Once....I came within a gnat's pube of the solution but couldn't quite fit it all together....>

That, friends and neighbours, is cutting it close. (laughs)

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