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| Apr-01-19 | | AlicesKnight: Found the solution - two bishops in effective conclave. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | saturn2: Would 28...Ng5 save?
29. Rxg5 Bxg4
29. Bxg5+ Kxh7 |
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| Apr-01-19 | | malt: Have 29.Rh5+ N:h5 30.g5# |
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Apr-01-19
 | | Sargon: <JimNorCal: Curious that Minasian would play it out to mate. The label says Round 4, so it was not a blitz game. Possibly severe time trouble or Minasian was in a bad mood ...? Cos these guys usually see a one move mate.> I'm confident that Minasian saw the inevitable checkmate coming. On some occasions, a losing GM will go ahead and play all the way through to mate—such as when a mating combination is elegant, for example; or for the edification of spectators and fans; or perhaps just because the mood strikes... |
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| Apr-01-19 | | Lambda: Resigning should be for when mate is inevitable, but distant. Embarrassment over getting mated over the board when it's quick and forced is silly, that's the natural conclusion. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | ChessHigherCat: <offramp: <piltdown man: <Emma> Wrong Tigran! This Tigran is pretty good, but he wasn't world champion.> <User: Emma has not posted here for 7 years and I fear that she still roams the streets of France spreading abroad the disinformation that this game was by Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian.> <However I am going to visit Avignon next year and if I run into her I shall show her a copy of your post and watch her carapace of blissful ignorance shatter.> Did you take any good snapshots of her shattered carapace? |
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| Apr-01-19 | | TheaN: <JimNorCal: Curious that Minasian would play it out to mate. The label says Round 4, so it was not a blitz game. Possibly severe time trouble or Minasian was in a bad mood ...? Cos these guys usually see a one move mate.> Personally I've done this still this season: I <knew> that a Bishop sac in the position would probably lead to being mated. I played on, played logical defensive moves but eventually the mating net did close. There I played a silly interpose to allow mate in one knowing I'd been beat in a neat way. Afterwards one of my club members asks me "why I allowed the mate in one?"... because it happened anyway. Of course Sargon and Lambda described this perfectly, but I do think the actual question poses somewhat of a threat to the aesthetic value of a good mating combination. We shouldn't forget it is the end goal of a chess game. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | SpamIAm: <saturn2>, that's a much better try but black still loses. 28...Ng4! 29.Rxg4! (much better than 29.Bxg4+? Kxh7 losing the valuable h-pawn) Bxg4 30.Rxg4 and black has to give up his queen to avoid mate. After 30...Qc5 31.Rh4+ Qh5 32.Rxh5+ Kxh5 white has two bishops and a pawn for a rook and black will have to give up one of his rooks for the passed pawn, leaving him a full bishop down. And after 30...Qf2 31.Rf1! (better than 31.Rh4+ Qxh4 32.Bxh4 f5! and white loses the h7 pawn for nothing) Qxf1+ 32.Bxf1 Kxh7 33.Bd3+ Kh6 34.Rh4#, he's still mated.
Perhaps he preferred to lose spectacularly. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | whiteshark: How to take down the <Berlin Wall>. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | mel gibson: That's harder than it looks.
There are so many moves that look good
yet only one sure mate. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | SpamIAm: Correction: 28...Ng5! 29.Rxg5! (much better than 29.Bxg5+? Kxh7 losing the valuable h-pawn) Bxg4 30.Rxg4 and black has to give up his queen to avoid mate. Thought I had already corrected my post in the preview. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | zb2cr: I Oiginally thought this was "the" Tigran Petrosian (Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian), and was suitably impressed by how he still had it, even in old age.
But this is no relation to the former World Champion. It's a pretty and instructive mate in 2: 29. Rh5+, Nxh5; 30. g5#. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | saturn2: <SpamIam...leaving him a full bishop down..>
Good analysis. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: The very elegant check mate with two bishops in the black King neck. I guess that must be ressalted the beauty of the Q sacrifice. About suffering a check mate, there was a simultaneous play of our Braziian master Maria Cristina Borges against 15 (1975), she was in white: 1.e4 e6, 2. d4 d5, 3. e5 c5, 4. Nf3 Nc6, 5. c3 Bd7 6.Be2 Be7 7.0-0 f5 8.Na3 a6 9. Nc2 g5 10.Khi h5 11.dxc g4 12. N3-d4 Nxe 13. b4 Nf6 14. Bf4 Ng6 15.Bg5 Ne4 16. Bxe7 Qxe7 17. c4 h4 18. cxd g3 19. c6 bxc 20. dxc Bc8 21. b5 gxf 22. h3 Ng+ 23. Kh2 Qc7 24. Txf Nf1+ and the check mate in 2 moves was anounced: she did the moves her self: 25. Kg1 Qh2+ 26. Kxf1 Qh1#. She droped the king and run out of the room crying with his father helping her to contain her emotion and sadness. Maybe, I guess that she would suffered less if she only gave up. maybe she really didn't believe it was true. By the way, she took revenge later in other tournament... For me, this was the best win ever! |
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Apr-01-19
 | | dorsnikov: I didn't get it. I guess i'll always be a patzer? An embarrassment of riches. Too many good moves to choose from. |
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Apr-01-19
 | | Messiah: <dorsnikov> I wouldn't think it is a tragedy you did not find the solution immediately - we are not computers. In these cases, e.g. when someone loses a game, ruins their winning position into a draw, or misses a tactic (let is be easy or hard, it doesn't really matter), the disappointment should be treated without embarrassment: cry behind the chessboard, it is natural! When some tears need to get dropped, then - drop them! Don't be afraid of crying! |
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Apr-01-19
 | | wood n tempo: I got this, but it took several minutes. It helped to see that after 29...Nxh5, the flight square h5 is now occupied. |
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Apr-01-19
| | beenthere240: Kind of a trashy gambit to play against a strong GM. |
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Apr-01-19
 | | perfidious: Is this a game between GMs or players of different classes? Sure appears to be the latter. Never saw Black's fifth move before now, and it looks ready to be consigned to the scrap heap after the hiding Minasian took here. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | schachfuchs: A beautiful mating pattern with the two bishops and pawn to deliver mate! |
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| Apr-01-19 | | SpamIAm: <perfidious>, they're both grandmasters. Petrosian is currently rated 2605 and Minasian is currently rated 2426.
I certainly agree with you re black's opening. Black gets his pieces in a terrible tangle- he's never really in the game. |
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| Apr-01-19 | | Walter Glattke: Now I've got it!! White can also play 26.Rxf7+ Kxf7 (Rxf7?? h8Q#) 27.Rf1+ Ke8 28.Bg6+ Kd7 29.Rd1 that wins. |
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Apr-01-19
| | GoldenKnight: <<offramp: <piltdown man: <Emma> Wrong Tigran! This Tigran is pretty good, but he wasn't world champion.> <User: Emma has not posted here for 7 years and I fear that she still roams the streets of France spreading abroad the disinformation that this game was by Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian.> <However I am going to visit Avignon next year and if I run into her I shall show her a copy of your post and watch her carapace of blissful ignorance shatter.>> Yes, Tigran Vartanovich died in 1984. That this game was played in 2006 should be a good hint that it wasn't the former World Champion. |
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Apr-01-19
 | | Penguincw: A Monday puzzle on an April Fool's Day? Please no... Okay good, a regular Monday puzzle. |
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| Jan-16-21 | | Whitehat1963: Awesome game! |
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