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Garry Kasparov vs The Times (Newspaper)
"The Times They are a-Losin'" (game of the day Jun-05-2010)
Charity Consultation simul (1998) (exhibition), London ENG, Dec-17
King's Indian Defense: Fianchetto Variation. Immediate Fianchetto (E60)  ·  1-0

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Jun-05-10  BobCrisp: The clue's in the game location: London, England.
Jun-05-10  YoungEd: I agree with <weisyschwarz>; looks like Black was aiming for a draw through exchanges but didn't consider the endgame well enough. Fun to see the king march at the end.
Jun-05-10  shakespeare: KID without the LSB is definitely not a good idea - the exchange on move 9 was imo a blunder - the result can be seen in the endgame - light square strategy by white - mercilessly executed - blocking all the light pieces of black - leaving no entry point for black
Jun-05-10
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  kevin86: A choice:take the knight,the pawn queens OR don't take the knight,the pawn queens OR resign.

The third option is the least painful...

Jun-05-10
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  kevin86: Funny about this:

The Times---is the London Times

The Open---is the British Open

While other places have to qualify their location.

jw,is that arrogance or modesty?

Jun-05-10  homersheineken: In the US,

The Times = The New York Times
The Open = US Open Tennis

Sounds like a local thing...

Jun-05-10
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  kevin86: I don't know,even some American announcers call the British Open "The Open"

BTW,does anyone else notice that American announcers start to talk British when they broadcast the Open or Wimbledon-aka,The Championships-?

like this:

"his play was dodgy" "level par" "greasy grass" etc.

Jun-05-10
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  Once: <kevin86: Funny about this:

The Times---is the London Times

The Open---is the British Open

While other places have to qualify their location.

jw,is that arrogance or modesty?>

Neither - it's history.

It's the same reason why Anderssen-Kieseritsky 1851 is, and always will be, "the Immortal". And every other immortal game that follows it needs to be qualified - eg the Polish Immortal, the Immortal Zugwang game.

And, no, we are not going to rename "York", as "Old York" or "Olde Yorke" or "York, England". You keep the new one - we'll keep the first one.

For that matter, how come the former colonials insist on the perpetual geography lesson with "Paris, France" and "London, England", when I've never heard anyone refer to "New York, USA"?

And if America ever decides to build a second New York, would it be called New York 2 (this time it's personal), or New New York or even Newer York?

I think Better Middler said it best. "You brits are so quaint. You think a good screw is a conscientious prison officer."

I guess the bottom line is this: USA and Britain speak a related but subtly different language. Neither is right and neither is wrong - it's just a factor of how language evolves.

And it provides us with endless supply of gentle teasing jokes, all meant with the greatest fondness and respect.

Jun-05-10  crawfb5: Ah, one of my pun submissions from the contest last year. Better late than never...
Jun-05-10  bengalcat47: <Once> If you want rename the city of York you might try going back to its past names -- Eboracum, from when the Romans founded the city in 71 AD; Eoforwic, the name used by the Angles from about 415 AD onward, following the end of Roman rule; Jorvik, the name given the city by Danish Vikings when they overran much of northern England in 866 AD. The name York derives from Jorvik and was first used in the early 13th century.
Jun-05-10
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  Once: <bengalcat47: If you want rename the city of York ...>

No, no, my friend, you misunderstand me! I don't want to rename anything. I am perfectly comfortable with the way things are, and the fact that language evolves. Up to now, "The Times" has always referred to the British version (ditto for the Open). And that is perfectly understandable, and fine and dandy. Maybe one day it will change, and that will be fine too.

But what I struggle to understand is how someone could confuse history with some idea of racial arrogance. It's not called "The Open" for any other reason than it was the first major golf competition to be called The Open.

I firmly believe that we should try to read the past in order to write the future. It is a great mistake when we try to rewrite the past. Like most British towns, York has gone through many names, but let's not quibble too much with the one that has stuck for hundreds of years, yes?

York is a magical city of great history and beauty. A little tourist-bound these days, but I shouldn't complain - I was took a long weekend there last year. I can well recommend the Jorvik Viking museum, if ever you are visiting.

Or you could just look it up on Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York

Jun-05-10  deshad: <Once: For that matter, how come the former colonials insist on the perpetual geography lesson with "Paris, France" and "London, England", when I've never heard anyone refer to "New York, USA"?>

Here in Texas we have cities named London, Paris, Florence, Rhome, Italy, New Berlin, Palestine, etc. Incidentally, while you never hear Americans say "New York, USA," you do occasionally hear "New York, New York."

Jun-05-10  ROO.BOOKAROO: As Raymond Keene was writing the chess column for the London Times, it is likely that he was the captain of the Times team. It should be easy to verify.
Jun-05-10
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  Chessmensch: To explain <deshad's> comment for those abroad. In New York, New York the reference is to New York City in New York State (as in Baltimore, Maryland). Of course, there is also the song New York New York (it's a wonderful town)--which, in my opinion, it isn't.
Jun-05-10  bengalcat47: <Chessmensch> Very good! You would've heard that song today if you watched the Belmont Stakes horse race -- one of the three major races in what we call the Triple Crown. I live in Phoenix, Arizona, and grew up in the state of Illinois, far, far away from New York. I've never had any desire to go to New York City either. In my opinion the cartoon character Top Cat (who I understand is called "Boss Cat" in the UK) is the only good thing to ever come from New York City.
Jun-05-10  Blunderdome: Of course, it depends where you are. Where I live, if someone referred to the Times, everyone would know she meant the New York Times -- and I'm hundreds of miles from New York.
Jun-06-10
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  Once: I would love to visit New York. Volcanoes permitting, one day I will. I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to live there, but I'd like to experience it at least once. And, yes, we do have Top Cat, not boss cat over here in Museumland.

These difference between cultures and languages are what makes life so fascinating.

I was listening to the Beach Boys yesterday, introducing their music to my 9 year old son. He was fascinated by the surfer culture and the car references in Little Deuce Coupe. It brought a little bit of California sun to this part of rural Surrey.

The song that makes me smile and argumentative in equal measure is when they say "I wish they all could be California girls." They go through several different parts of the States ("the east coast girls are hip/ I really love the styles they wear"), but keep coming back to the refrain of wishing they were all California girls.

How dull that would be! For me, it's great that these differences exist. It's something to be celebrated, enjoyed, cherished. And whilst I am sure that the ladies of the west coast are perfectly spiffing, it would be a bit creepy and Stepford Wivesy if that was all the choice we were ever going to get.

It is at this point, that the Mem would like me to point out that, in my case at least, these choices are purely hypothetical....

Jun-06-10  crawfb5: I'd always interpreted the Beach Boys song to mean, "wouldn't it be great if they were all local and we wouldn't have to travel to get that wonderful diversity?"

I keep asking for a Christmas blonde, but I do it mostly to get a rise out of my brunette...

Jun-06-10
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  Once: And here it is, in all its sexist glory:

Well East coast girls are hip
I really dig those styles they wear
And the Southern girls with the way they talk
They knock me out when I'm down there

The Mid-West farmer's daughters really make you feel alright And the Northern girls with the way they kiss
They keep their boyfriends warm at night

I wish they all could be California
I wish they all could be California
I wish they all could be California girls

The West coast has the sunshine
And the girls all get so tanned
I dig a french bikini on Hawaii island
Dolls by a palm tree in the sand

I've been all around this great big world
And I've seen all kinds of girls
Yeah, but I couldn't wait to get back in the states
Back to the cutest girls in the world

I wish they all could be California
I wish they all could be California
I wish they all could be California girls

I wish they all could be California
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the)
I wish they all could be California
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the)
I wish they all could be California
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the)
I wish they all could be California
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the)

Jun-06-10
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  HeMateMe: Well, the Ukraine girls really KNOCK me out, they leave the west behind...
Jun-06-10  Bobby Fiske: Back In The USSR was The Beatles' tribute to the Beach Boys.
Jun-06-10
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  Once: Tribute or riposte?
Jun-06-10  Bobby Fiske: Back In The USSR almost broke up The Beatles during the recording session: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php...
Jun-06-10
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  HeMateMe: John Lennon said "The White album is mostly me with one backing band, and Paul with a different backing band."
Jun-07-10  Blunderdome: <ROO.BOOKAROO>

I asked Keene on his player page and he says he was not there.

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