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Wordsworth Donisthorpe vs Mundell
"Goodbye, Blue Mundell" (game of the day Apr-17-2006)
Casual Game (1892), London
Three Knights Opening: General (C46)  ·  1-0



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Apr-17-06  cuendillar: You're probably right about that. I think he would have tried 12.Qh5 otherwise, which is the most obvious attacking move. He might of course have missed the knight retreat, but that's less probable.
Apr-17-06  Ezzy: Sorry everybody but I am going to have a bit of a moan. :-)

The games in the last 2 days were a credit to be worthy of the title 'game of the day.' Then we get this!

A casual game between 2 unknown players, one of the players has 1 game in the database and the other player has 2 games in the database AND the other game was played against NN. How can there be any credibility in this game?

Ok, the finishing position was pretty cool, but there must be thousands of interesting games that could entertain us.

Who are these players?

You might as well just throw one of my own amateur games in for 'game of the day!'

Yours Faithfully

Disappointed :-)

Apr-17-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Come on, <Ezzy>, be a little more optimistic. Of course, this game isn't as professional as some others, but it's still instructive for kibitzers who are more at the novice level as it has quite a neat combination in the end!

Actually, for novice players it might make even more sense to watch through these more simple games before they move on to more complex ones, which they would hardly understand..

Apr-17-06  thundershock2k: wow, i would have never thunk of that!
hats off to that fellow
Apr-17-06  itz2000: can anyone take a look at my comment and reply? <THANKS!>
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  Microbe: Would anyone attack me if I were to call this game "cute"?

The reason for 4. Bg4 itz2000, is similar to the reason it is used in the Ruy Lopez...and h3 is similar to Morphy's defense (The reason I don't use the Ruy Lopez). Am I right? Or am I just being amateurish guys?

Apr-17-06  peabody88: <itz2000> I think that the main idea of ♗g4 is to try to wrestle the initiative away from white. now white has to take care of his ♘ before going on with his development. I think that in this game black lost the oportunity of using that pin when he refused to exchange. After the refusal his ♗ didn't do anything at all and only deprived his ♔ from a flight sqare.
Apr-17-06  Ezzy: <itz2000:> Your assessment of 4..Bg4 is pretty good. You have outlined the advantages and disadvantages of the move. There are other reasonable moves in the position, namely 4..Nf6 4..exd4 4..Bd7 4..Nge7 so basically none of these moves are bad, it is just a matter of preference of what type of positions you prefer to play, and what plans arise from these positions. But with your thinking process about 4..Bg4 I would say you are good chessplayer. You are asking very logical questions about the nature of the moves. But it is a matter of style in that position. Just like some players never choose a Sicilian defence, while other players only play a Sicilian defence. It's your own personal choice. There are pro's and cons to a lot of moves in chess. This is what makes chess the worlds greatest game. Decision making, it can win lose or draw you a game.
Apr-17-06  Ezzy: Also it's like the age old question about the problematic developement of Blacks 'white squared bishop' in the French defence. That is a disadvantage, but the advantage is that you have a defence which is difficulr to penetrate due to the solid pawn structure.

Again, it is just a matter of your personal preference for different kinds of positions.

Apr-17-06  Ezzy: <EmperorAtahualpa: Come on, <Ezzy>, be a little more optimistic.> You're right! Must be the Easter holidays coming to an end and I am becoming grumpy. Ah well, an occasional moan brushes off the cobwebs of easter inactivity.

Actually I think I am still upset by the fact that I would never of noticed the queen sac coming. It's one of those moves where once it is played against you, you stare at the board for the next hour in total shock that it could ever of been possible. I must admit, 15 Qxe5+ was stunning!!

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  kevin86: Black has the grim task of choosing which door he will open to allow the bishop to mate.
Apr-17-06  Chess Classics: <Sneaky: Aren't there any Kurt Vonnegut fans here?> Kurt lived in the same hometown as me, and worked a lot at the University of Iowa Writer's Workshop. Apparently he was a jerk, but that's okay because he was a great writer.


Apr-17-06  itz2000: Thanks guys//

<ezzy> Well, I got some compliments from people which when heard I'm playing for 6 months (18 years old boy) said I'm going to be master soon, but well, just 2 months ago I resigned to Eric Shiller on 9 move (on an openning I didn't know, no excuses will be accepted though ;) ).. so I guess we all have our un/lucky days.

I've read this tempo thing on "MY SYSTEM" by Aron Nimzowitsch, and I never really understand that attack which now seems to be as to get opposite to play how u like him to, also,
if there's a Knight Pressuering d4 square exchange is good to bishop since Bxf3==> Qxf3 (if gxd3 you're in trouble, you got a bit stronger center while castle would be a suicide [Qh4, Qg5 and black finds its gold way to mate/earn the g pawn atleast.] anyhow, Bxf3, Qxf3, Nxd4, and white's in trouble. But not a good player would ever play with remainning the pressuer on the d4 square without giving it a backup [Bc3, c3, (I preffer Bc3 followed by Nd2 in this case) )

It's like someone who will play
1. e4 e5
2. Bc4 a6(just to make an example)
3. Qf3 a5(..)
4. Qxf7#

No one will play like that... so why white should even try to do Qf3, he will be blocked immdiatly by f6 or Nf6, so it's a loss of tempo just like this 4..Bd4 thing.

I think I will not play net chess untill I will finish the 2 books I got from my brother to my birthday (My System and The Road To Chess Improvement), I still got alot alot alot to learn.

Summary, In my opinion 4..Bg4 is a mistake if black wasn't willing to exchange if (4+n).h3 (n>1).

Apr-17-06  Jim Bartle: CC: Why do say Vonnegut's considered a jerk?

My favorite was the TV movie "Between Time and Timbuktu," which I gather is sort of a grab-all of Vonnegut's best ideas.

Apr-17-06  Chess Classics: <Jim Bartle> I'm just gossiping (a friend told me once that a friend told him that Kurt Vonnegut was a jerk.) However, my brother does have a t-shirt for his debate club that says "City High Debate-We Don't Like People" and shows a picture of Kurt Vonnegut on the front. That seems like pretty incriminating evidence to me.


Apr-17-06  Jim Bartle: I can think of a lot of candidates for the picture on that T-shirt.
Apr-17-06  chess champion 8: This was a very nice finish for white. One of the best series of moves for checkmate that I have seen. The knight sack to bring the queen for check was good! I think he saw this checkmate when he played Bd3. Awesome finish!
Apr-17-06  itz2000: well what I wrote explains this I guess
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But I still do see highly rated players go back with the Bishops instead of exchanging :(

Apr-17-06  Ezzy: <itz2000> In these situations where a pawn attacks the bishop and a player retreats the bishop, it is not really seen as a loss of tempo, because it is only a pawn move which doesn't have any significance in the developement of the pieces. If on the other hand a player develops a piece which forces a retreat, then that can be seen as a loss of tempo for the person retreating, unless he has forced a weakness in the opponents position.
Apr-17-06  weisyschwarz: Just another manic Mundell.
Apr-17-06  schnarre: OW, now this one hurt!
Apr-17-06  Knight13: Ho ho!! Nice tactic!! :)
Apr-18-06  Ezzy: <weisyschwarz: Just another manic Mundell> Whoh oh whoh!
May-05-06  weisyschwarz: about Rainy Days and Mundells always Get me Down? :-)
Oct-22-06  niranjanchess23: gud gud game
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