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Maarten Ronteltap / Allies vs Ron Barber / Allies
chessgames consultation (2006), chessgames.com, Jan-11
Sicilian Defense: Modern Variations. Tartakower (B53)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Apr-27-06  hitman84: <blingice>Its a draw unless Black commits a blunder.

The basic idea for black is to maintain the B on the diagonal(g1-a7) and keep the R on the 7th rank.
One more important thing is to keep the king in the center !? so that it can go both ways either to catch the a pawn or move to the king side when white sacs the Q on g7.

White missed a win i feel 44.Qc6 ? 44.a6! and we gain a vital tempo.

We made this move in a hurry(44.Qc6) and then realised our Q sac would'nt work because Black escapes with a draw due to our pawn on a5 and not a6.

I analysed this ending and thought both positions were winning(pawn on a5 and a6)but later <Saruman> pointed out the bug in my line.Now the only thing that was left was to get our king back from where it came in the mean time Black co-ordinated the B and R.

It would be interesting to see the chess master analysis after 44.a6 dont blindly follow the comp moves try the idea of taking the white K to g6 and sac the Q on g7.I think this wins I might be wrong.

We analysed this ending and it is really interesting you can find it on <EA>'s forum.

Apr-27-06  sitzkrieg: Hehe. I see this game is already being reffered to as "The Immortal Consultation Game"..I like it!
Apr-27-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <In the notes, "!! The point behind 23.Nxb5." should be Nxe5, I think.>

<offramp> You're totally right, thanks for pointing that out! I will contact <chessgames.com> and ask to fix it.

Apr-27-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <One note tho, on move 24th it was not me but Robin01 who found the strong Bg6-he was the one who got outvoted.>

<sitzkrieg> Thanks, I'll try to correct it!

Apr-27-06  RonB52734: For convenience sake: To see white's thinking as the game developed, go here: User: EmperorAtahualpa

To see black's thinking in action, go here: User: WannaBe

And to see the game as it was originally played out, go here: User: me to play

Apr-30-06  Rontletapzilla: Barber+Allies got lucky! White would have flayed them alive if it weren't for "me to play"

:-)

Apr-30-06  Phi: Great game, guys. I followed it live and really enjoyed it.
Apr-30-06  RonB52734: <Ronteltapzilla> Rofl!
Apr-30-06  NakoSonorense: What an awesome game!

34...Kd7 was the best move of the game!!

Apr-30-06
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  technical draw: Good game. But I'm convinced white should have won.
May-01-06  sitzkrieg: Come on; with your name you should know better;)
May-01-06
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  technical draw: <sitzkrieg> LOL. Well, you're right, however I wasn't playing!
May-11-06  sitzkrieg: <<Article 10: Quickplay Finish 10.1 A `quickplay finish` is the last phase of a game, when all the (remaining) moves must be made in a limited time.

10.2 If the player, having the move, has less than two minutes left on his clock, he may claim a draw before his flag falls. He shall stop the clocks and summon the arbiter.

If the arbiter agrees the opponent is making no effort to win the game by normal means, or that it is not possible to win by normal means, then he shall declare the game drawn. Otherwise he shall postpone his decision or reject the claim.

b. If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient attempts to win by normal means.

If the arbiter has rejected the claim, the opponent shall be awarded two extra minutes thinking time.

The decision of the arbiter shall be final relating to 10.2 a, b, c.

>>

In the light of the above ending i found this quite interesting. I was wondering what is meant with the expression "normal" and "normal means" in article a. Can one ask for a draw only in theoretical draw endgames with enough material for checkmate, or is it also possible in other situations. If so, what are the "general" criteria.

May-21-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <sitzkrieg> I have no idea! I think you might get better feedback on your question if you ask it in the Kibitzer's CafĂ©.
Jun-15-06  blingice: I have finally made a final determined push to see if this was really a drawn game. Chessmaster vs. Chessmaster, 40/120 time control from the final position.
Jun-15-06  blingice: Hmm, white took 11 minutes to make it's first move. This is going to be pretty definitive seeing if this was a draw or not...
Jun-16-06  blingice: Hmm, maybe I better leave the blissful ignorance alone...

[Event "chessgames consultation"]
[Site "chessgames.com"]
[Date "2006.01.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chessmaster"]
[Black "Chessmaster"]
[TimeControl "40/7200"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B50"]
[WhiteELO "?"]
[BlackELO "?"]

56.Qe8 Kd6 57.h4 Bc5 58.Kg3 Re7 59.Qg6+ Kc7 60.Kg2 Kb8 61.g5 hxg5 62.Qxg5 Rc7 63.Qd8+ Rc8 64.Qd2 Bb6 65.Qb2 Ka7 66.Qxg7+ Rc7 67.Qf6 Kxa6 68.h5 Rc2+ 69.Kg3 Kb7 70.h6 Rc6 71.Qh8 Ba5 72.Qb2+ Ka6 73.h7 Bc3 74.h8=Q Bxh8 75.Qxh8 Rc4 76.Qb2 Ka5 77.Kf3 Rb4 78.Qa2+ Ra4 79.Qd5+ Kb6 80.Ke3 Ra5 81.Qe6+ Kc7 82.Qc4+ Kd8 83.Qb4 Rd5 84.Ke4 Rd7 85.Ke5 Kc8 86.Ke6 Rb7 87.Qc4+ Rc7 88.Qa4 Rb7 89.Kd6 Rb6+ 90.Kc5 Rb7 91.Qa8+ Kc7 92.Qe8 Rb1 93.Qf7+ Kd8 94.Qg8+ Ke7 95.Qh7+ Kf6 96.Qxb1 Ke5 97.Qc2 Kf6 98.Kd6 Kf7 99.Qe4 Kg8 100.Qb7 Kh8 101.Ke5 Kg8 102.Kf6 Kh8 103.Qg7# 1-0

Jun-16-06  borisbadenoff: Hmm my engine says 64. Bb6 is a blunder. The evaluation drops from -2 to -4. And Rc7 was needed.
Jun-16-06  blingice: <boris> Which engine? Would you mind testing this endgame on 40/120 time control (starting at the final position)?
Jun-16-06  borisbadenoff: Well I used Rybka for this but as we know it's endgame evaluation is not always so good.

But I'm willing to do a endgame testing.

As I'm not so sure about this time control notions does 40/120 mean 40 moves in 120 minutes and over or 40 moves in 120 minutes repeating.

Jun-16-06  mack: Lovely game lads - it's been added to my collection. I've got to say I'm kinda tempted to get involved with some of this consultation stuff myself, it looks fun. If anyone fancies it, join me on my brand spanking new chessforum...
Jun-16-06  sitzkrieg: You'r the guy with the stonecold hard right?
Believe me, you don't want to do this stuff, intern-team fights, team fights, unjustified win-claims, it never stops!
Jun-16-06  sitzkrieg: <blingice> If we had played like that at least some of my team would have died of old age; it doubles the game length!. Besides, I dont know if the computer understands the plan to keep the rook on the 7th row, in your line its played to c8 quite early.
Jun-28-06  dakgootje: Aye lets make it game of the day
Aug-16-06  RonB52734: Can anyone tell me whether there is any truth to the rumor that chessgames.com member (and black consultation team member) NakoSonorense dropped out of this game at precisely the same time that Bobby Fischer was taken into custody in Japan? :)
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