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Jacques Mieses vs Marcus Kann
DSB-Congress 4th Free Tournament (1885), Hamburg GER, Jul-??
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation (B12)  ·  0-1

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Dec-19-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  varishnakov: Mieses pieces
Dec-19-15  Tiggler: Tuesday's puzzle B Kienboeck vs D Dardha, 2015 Was the only one I missed so far this week.
Dec-19-15  OscarR: <Penguincw>

1 Kf4


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If 1 ... Kd4, 2 Rg4 (Black loses pawn)
If 1 ... Kd3, 2 Kf4 (Black loses pawn)

1 ... Kf3
2 Rh2


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If 2 ... Ke3, 3 Rh4 (Black loses pawn)
If 2 ... Kg3, 3 Re2 (Black loses pawn)

2 ... e3
3 Rh3+


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If 3 ... Kg2 (Black loses pawn)
If 3 ... Ke2, 4 Ke4 (Black loses pawn)

3 ... Kf2
4 Kf4


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If 4 ... Kg2/Kg1/Kf1/Ke2/Ke1 (Black loses pawn)

4 ... e2
5 Rh2+


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If 5 ... Kg1 (Black loses pawn)
If 5 ... Kf1, 6 Kf3 (Black loses pawn, or is checkmated after pawn promotion)

If 5 ... Ke1, 6 Ke3 (Black loses pawn)

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Dec-19-15  OscarR: <Penguincw>

Oops! Forgot about the possible knight promotion in 5 ... Kf1 6 Kf3 e1N+


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Probably a tablebase win for White, but quite beyond my powers!

Dec-19-15  Marmot PFL: <Penguincw> Instructive rook ending. several moves lead to R vs N.
Dec-19-15  dfcx: I can't believe it's Saturday!

White's queen is pinned and only protected by the rook.

This indicates an attack on the rook:

17...Rc1!

A. 18.Qxb6 Rxd1+ 19.Kf2 axb6 wins a rook

B. 18.Rxc1 Qxd4+ gets a queen for the rook.

C. 18.Nc3 Rxa1

D. 18.Kf2 Rxd1

E. 18.Kf1 Qxd4

Thanks CG for the nice Christmas present.

Dec-19-15  PJs Studio: Move ...13 black to play and win. 17...Rc1 is lovely though.
Dec-19-15  cunctatorg: This is an elementary exercise position for pins and related topics; as scholes pointed out, the true Saturday exercise is to be found in Black's 13th...

By the way 17... Rc1! 18. Rxc1?? Qxd4 gets one full queen, a knight and a rook for just two rooks; 19. Kf1 Qxa1 20. Rc8 Kd7 21. Rxh8 Qxb1

Dec-19-15  Moszkowski012273: Laaaaaaaame....
Dec-19-15  Sniffles: Not finding this a hard puzzle at all. 15. Rd1 is beating a dead horse. No plan to get the queen or king off the diagonal. Even my weak brain could figure the inevitable chain of events from there.
Dec-19-15  Pedro Fernandez: I have not yet think at all about this puzzle.


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However I see 17...Qxb3 aiming to the white rook on d1-square, so that 18.Qxa7 is not possible. On the other hand if 1) 18.Rd3 then 18...Rc1+, and if 2) 18.Qd3 then 18...Qxd3 (18...Qb2 19.Qd4 Qxd4 20.Rxd4 Rc1+) 19.Rxd3 Rc1+ with advantage.

Dec-19-15  Sularus: weak back rank... Rc1+!
Dec-19-15  CHESSTTCAMPS: I didn't get to look at this until late in the day, but it was quickly obvious that the pin on white's queen sets up a quick turnaround shot for black, who is temporarily a piece down:

17... Rc1!! is a deadly double pin that overburdens both the queen and rook.

A.18.Qxb6 Rxc1+ 19.Kf2 axb6 and white will also lose the pinned knight after Kd7-Rh1-Rh8c8-R8c1

B.18.Rxc1 Qxd4+ 19.Kf1 Qxa1 wins

C.18.Qf2 Rxd1#

D.18.Qe3/c5 QxQ+ wins

E.18.K moves Qxd4(+) followed by Qxa1 wins

F.18.other Qxd4+ wins

Dec-19-15  CHESSTTCAMPS: Sloppy write-up - I saw, but failed to specify the game continuation, which is similar to A.
Dec-19-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: S Madsen vs M Napolitano, 1950 has a similar overload theme.
Jul-11-17  whiteshark: <Kanned Heat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgB...
Jul-11-17  ChessHigherCat: - How dat dood win dat game?
- He win becoz he Kann!
Mar-26-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Octavia: I found this game in "complete defense to KP Openings" ebook by Schiller: he discussed only CaroKann in that book
Mar-17-22  Mathematicar: A very fine game.
Feb-09-23
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  kingscrusher: Great game and celebration of absolute pins from one of the two name originators of the Caro-Kann
Feb-09-23  Dionysius1: So nice when a plan works.

Black has been loading the gun from 6...c5 all the way to 11...Nf5 and gets to pull the trigger with 13...N(c) x d4. Nice trick with 14...Bc5

I wonder if Kahn's eyes lit up with 13.a3 - it means White can't play 18.Na3

Mar-20-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: This is the first game of Jacques Mieses in the database, two years before the second. He was only 20 at the time. These days one can be a veteran grandmaster by age 20, but in the 19th century chessplayers began their careers around that age.
Mar-24-23  Cheapo by the Dozen: This is one of only three games in the database by Kann, and earlier than any by Caro. It's also Mieses' first game in the database. And it's a game good enough to be puzzle-worthy.

Clearly, it's GoTD material.

Kann We Introduce Ourselves?

Mar-24-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Hi FSR
<These days one can be a veteran grandmaster by age 20, but in the 19th century chessplayers began their careers around that age.>

Yes Staunton only took a serous interest in the game when he was 26. Blackburne learned the moves when he was 19.

Cecil De Vere seems to be a U.K. exception, he was playing in Simpson's Divan at 14 and won the first British when he was 20. In those days the kids were going up and down chimneys.

Morphy of course was the major exception. Conquering all before him and giving up. He played his last serious game when he was 23.

Sep-19-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  Honza Cervenka: <OscarR: <Penguincw> Oops! Forgot about the possible knight promotion in 5 ... Kf1 6 Kf3 e1N+


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Probably a tablebase win for White, but quite beyond my powers!>

No, it is a tablebase draw. Correct solution of Penguincw's puzzle (diagram) is 1.Rg5 with idea to win a tempo for approach of white King to the black Pawn, for example 1...Kd2 2.Rd5+ Kc2 3.Re5 Kd3 4.Kf5 e3 5.Kf4 e2 6.Kf3 +-. If black King after 1.Rg5 Kd2 2.Rd5 retreats to e2, then 3.Ke5! e3 (3...Kf3 4.Kd4 +-) 4.Ke4 Kf2 5.Rf5+ Ke2 6.Rf3 +-.


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