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Samuel Reshevsky vs Traube
Hanover (1920), Hannover GER
Bird Opening: General (A02)  ·  1-0



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  chancho: Not bad for a 9 year old.
Aug-10-07  vonKrolock: A good pun there too: Traube = grape, Sammy was green (very young), but Traube (grape) proved from sour (green) grapes
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  wwall: 11...f6? looks weak. Black should just play 11...O-O or 11...Bb7

Instead of 14...Bb7, perhaps 14...Ndb8 15.Qc2 Qd7.

15...Rc8 is the losing move as Black missed the mating threat. Perhaps best is 15...Qc7. Black would play 16.Rc1. If 16...Rc8, 17.Bxc6 and if 17...Bxc6, then 18.d5 wins a piece. Black could try 17...O-O 18.Qb3+ Kh8 19.Bxb7 Qxb7 20.O-O. Instead of 16...Rc8, Black can try 16...f5 17.Bxc6 (17.Qxf5 Nf6) Bxc6 18.Qxc6 Rc8 19.Qxc7 Bxc7 20.Nf3

Apr-19-11  SeanBurdine: According to the analysis in my source book, Black's best play on move 15 is 15... Q-B2. The best line for both sides after that would be 16 QR-B1 QR-B1 17 Q-N6 ch K-Q1 18 QxNP R-K1 19 B-B2, and White has a strong advantage.

15... QR-B1??? was the immediately losing blunder, allowing mate in 2.

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  Domdaniel: The Grapes of Wrath.
May-25-16  RookFile: I was thinking earlier today that Bird's Opening is not bad because many players don't prepare for it as black.
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  Domdaniel: <RookFile> - < I was thinking earlier today that Bird's Opening is not bad because many players don't prepare for it as black.>

One could also take the opposite view: that Bird's Opening is problematic precisely because many players don't prepare for it. And many of them then play 1...e5, heading either for From's Gambit or a King's Gambit - neither really what a Bird's player wants with White. And both really requiring exact preparation.

Otherwise, Bird's *should* be at least as good as the Dutch.

May-25-16  RookFile: I play 1....e5 myself. Against somebody who doesn't know what he's doing, the game is over in 25 moves. But, somebody booked up on it knows how to take that pawn and deal with black's threats.
May-25-16  RookFile: When I have white, and I know that my opponent plays the Dutch Defense, sometimes I play 1. Nc3. There have been games that have gone 1. Nc3 f5 2. e4 fxe4 3. d3 exd3 4. Bxd3 Nf6 5. g4. These guys don't realize that it's basically the same thing as From's Gambit, but even better because white is a tempo ahead.
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  Domdaniel: <RookFile> Interesting line. It - along with similar ideas - is one reason that I don't like to play 1...f5, either against 1.d4 or 1.Nf3, or, indeed, other 1st moves.

As Black, I prefer 1...e6 or 1...g6, bypassing at least some (but not all) of the Anti-Dutch lines. One has to be ready for a French or a Modern, of course.

As for 1.Nc3, I agree that it has a lot of good transpositional possibilities. And of course in general you're right - if one looks closely at the transpositions, these openings are very useful in gaining the odd tempo.

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  Domdaniel: Most opening lines where White can play e4 followed by d3 against 1...f5 (or vice versa) tend to be good for White -- like the Lisitsyn Gambit (1.Nf3 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Ng5 etc) or the Neo-Lisitsyn (1.Nf3 f5 2.d3 ...)
May-25-16  RookFile: And just like that the 1. Nf3 f5 2. e4 gambit is the opening of the day! You sir, are a man of influence.
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  Domdaniel: <Rookfile> Heh. I do it with magnets. And, y'know, mirrors and stuff...

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