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Irini Goutioudi vs Laura Rogule
35th Greek Team Championship (2006), Ermioni GRE, rd 3, Jul-05
Sicilian Defense: Modern Variations (B50)  ·  0-1

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Mar-05-07
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  WannaBe: <chessgames.com: ...We have no intention of changing the difficulty of early-week puzzles, but if we did, it would be to make them even easier.>

White to play:


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Mar-05-07  chessmoron: Kf8# *cough* *cough*
Mar-05-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <playground player: Can't we just give Random Visitor credit for coming up with an ingenious defensive effort that nobody else saw?>

I would not be surprised if the white player in the game did not see it, either.

Mar-05-07  Appaz: <chessmoron> Take your medicine to get rid of that cough, your move is illegal :) Ok, I understood that you meant Qf8#, but Qh6# is quicker as the queen only moves one square!

No, I will not argue this as I've already made a fool of myself... :)

Mar-05-07  englishopener: Its interesting to note that a large portion of kibitzing are decrying the difficulty level of the monday puzzle. Those complaining that the puzzle is too easy can calculate 9,000 variations of the sicilian, but fail to see the very sound reasoning that chessgames.com uses when they make monday so easy. I posit that those beginners & children with an active interest need an outlet for their creative interest. I feel that the "too easy" post might make those in that rating range reticent. Thats my two cents. On a side note, thanks chessgames.com best site by far online.
Mar-05-07  Themofro: It would appear that for once, we have a Monday puzzle...without a queen sac!!! Amazing! i actually liked this one more than usual Monday because I've become so used to queen sac that it took me a while to realize that it didn't work, lol.
Mar-05-07  YouRang: <Appaz> I think <chessmoron> was making a joke with Kf8#, hence the coughing.
Mar-05-07  zb2cr: Players of all levels of skill frequent this site. With the "digitization error" of only 7 levels (Mon-Sun), it is inevitable that some would find some Monday puzzles too elementary, and some inexperienced players find them habitually too hard.

Those who find these Monday puzzles too easy should exhibit a little "noblesse oblige" and allow others of lesser skill to be challenged by them.

Mar-05-07  MostlyAverageJoe: The perverse aspect of today's puzzle is that some of those who found it challenging may have actually exhibited more insight and understanding that some of those who found it easy.

I know I felt rather dumb after first claiming it was easy and then seeing the defense the white could've put up (and intend to keep this lesson in mind for the future).

My hat off to those who saw the unexpected (for Monday) complexity.

Mar-05-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  beenthere240: <yourang> If white plays 34. Qb1, another approach for black (instead of ...e5) might be 34...Rd2 followed by 35...R(8)a2, grabbing the 2nd rank. I suspect white played 35. Qc1 to prevent this incursion and completely missed Rxg2+.
Mar-05-07  pggarner: <RandomVisitor: Here's one way the game could end: 34...Rxg2+ 35. Kxg2 Ra2+ 36. Re2 Rxe2+ 37. Kf3 Rh2 38. Ke3 g5 39. Rf3 gxf4+ 40. Rxf4 Qg3+ [...]>

After 37.Kf3, Black has a quicker mate with 37... Rf2+, 38.Ke3 Qg3#

Mar-05-07  wals: Spotted this one quickly. which is always a win.
Mar-05-07  Cannon Fodder: Just when I start bragging about how I haven't missed an early-in-the-week puzzle for a while, I miss one. Thanks chessgames.com for a good puzzle that is a little different from typical Monday fare. I assumed that, given the day of the week, there must be a forced mate in one or two moves following a sac. I'm embarrassed to say what my answer was.
Mar-05-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <pggarner: After 37.Kf3, Black has a quicker mate with 37... Rf2+, 38.Ke3 Qg3#>

Except the white rook on f1 is still there, so 37... Rf2+?? 38.Rxf2

Mar-05-07  YouRang: <beenthere240: <yourang> If white plays 34. Qb1, another approach for black (instead of ...e5) might be 34...Rd2 followed by 35...R(8)a2, grabbing the 2nd rank. I suspect white played 35. Qc1 to prevent this incursion and completely missed Rxg2+.>

Good point. I suspect you're right - that's probably why white played 35. Qc1.

However, after 34. Qb1 Rd2, I think white could have played 35. Rd1, and I don't see how black makes progress.

If 35...Re2, then 36. Rde1, and black must either trade off rooks or withdraw the rook to a7.

Mar-05-07  ltmt: Exelent move at move no 25
Mar-05-07  TrueBlue: Me gives WannaBe high 5! Difficult one, I know Kf8 gets the draw, but maybe white can go for the win?
Mar-05-07  macphearsome: I really didn't mean to stir anything up with my first post.

I'm sorry.

Mar-05-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: Nice game by Black.
Mar-05-07  Fisheremon: <YouRang: <Fisheremon: 34.Qc1? leading to a forced mate. If 34.Qb1!? ... (how to solve the puzzle?>

Yes, 34. Qc1 was a blunder, but if 34. Qb1, it's no longer a puzzle, or at least it's a very different type of puzzle. It's more about long range strategy than tactics. :-)

If 34. Qb1, I think black's best move is 34...e5, threatening to win a pawn or open the g5 square for the queen, creating mate threats at g2.

If 35. fxe5, then 35...Qg5 36. Rg1 Qxe5+ 37. Kh1, and now black threatens to get a rook battery on the 2nd rank with 37...Rb2. Also, black's kingside pawns may start rolling.> Right, so after 34...e5 White should play 35.f5 and more or less forced 35...Qg5 36.Rg1 gxf5 37.exf5 Rf2 38.Ref1 Raa2 39.Rxf2 Rxf2 40.Qe1 Qf4+ 41.Kh1 Qxf5 ( )

Mar-05-07  Dr.Lecter: <cannon fodder> Well, this is a forced mate one way or the other.
Mar-05-07  Tactic101: Yeah. <RandomVisiter> definately deserves full credit for finding the line after white blocks the check with Re2.
Mar-05-07
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  BishopofBlunder: <WannaBe: <chessgames.com: ...We have no intention of changing the difficulty of early-week puzzles, but if we did, it would be to make them even easier.>

White to play: >

1.Qg1 (I like to play with my food...)

Mar-05-07  Fisheremon: <zb2cr: Hey <RandomVisitor>,

In your line, what is the Black follow-up if after 38. ... g5, White captures 39. fxg5? To me, 39. ... Qxg5+; 40. Kf3, Qg2+; 41. Ke3, Qe2+; 42. Kf4, Rf2+; 43. Rxf2, Qxf2+; 44. Kg4 doesn't look entirely convincing. What am I missing?> 41.Rxh3+ Kf4 42.Qg3#. A longer length mate would be with 40.Rf4. Black also could mate playing 39...e5.

Mar-05-07  zb2cr: Re: My previous question to <RandomVisitor>: Never mind. I now see that if 39. fxg5, the "in-between move" 39. ... Qg3+ forces 40. Rf3, Qxg5+; 41. Rf4, e5 and it's clear that each of White's responses 42. Kf3, 42. Qf1, and 42. d4 lead to loss of material followed by mate in short order.

Wonderful what actually having a board in front of you allows you to see...

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