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| Aug-22-11 | | Everett: Here is a question for all the free-thinkers on this site who want some sort of truth beyond "don't push pawns on the K-side early" or "I read it in a book so it must be true." Black has a few options on move 11, and one that seem to leave him with an advantage. Yes, advantage for black. The video offers it, but I imagine if you look at the position yourself it makes perfect sense. Perhaps, maybe, just possibly, Simon Kim Williams was on the right path after all. |
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| Aug-22-11 | | kellmano: Simon Williams says Gormally is the most naturally talented player he knows. Don't know why you'd play something this provocative if you hold your oppoenet in such high esteem. Probably because Williams does not take the game of chess too seriously. |
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Aug-22-11
 | | kevin86: Odd opening line-is it sound? |
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| Aug-22-11 | | Everett: <User: kellmano> Perhaps Williams will want to play the way he wishes, with his favorite Dutch Defense, which he's analyzed more than anything else he plays. The Dutch itself is already provocative anyway. And, of course, chess itself is a game that shouldn't be taken too seriously. <kevin86> regarding its soundness, I have no idea. I do know if it is not, white did not play the refutation, as 11..e6 seems to put Black in a good positon. |
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| Aug-22-11 | | haydn20: I think Black is lost after 11...exf6. The best I could do after 11...e6 is 12. Be2 Qxf6 13. Bh5 Qxf2+ 14. Kd1 d5 15. Nd2 and I have no idea what's going on. One thing even patzers like me know is that the old dogmas about openings (e.g. h6 is "anti-positional") are valid only as guidelines, not gospel. |
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| Aug-22-11 | | 4tmac: 5. Be2 Kf7!? 6. g4!? (or Bg3) That's ridiculous. |
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Dec-19-11
 | | FSR: The little-known 3.Bf4! is better than the usual 3.Bh4. Opening Explorer |
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| Dec-19-11 | | King Death: This whole line looks crazy to me, and the game is straight out of Morphy-NN where he just develops his pieces and squashes some hapless player who has no grasp of basic principles of developmemt. |
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Dec-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: This type of thing isn't unusual in England, where there has been a vast amount of research into 'Anti-Dutch' lines such as 2.Bg5 and 2.h3/3.g4. Much of it by Simon Williams, although he now plays the Dutch less frequently than he used to. |
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Dec-19-11
 | | Penguincw: Right at the last minute, black realizes the unprotection of the rook on a8. |
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Dec-19-11
| | Domdaniel: Gormally may have won this one. He may be a tough GM-punching kinda guy. But Williams is a better writer, and his DVDs are fun. I'm sorry to see him give up the Classical Dutch, but he realized that playing it against GMs wasn't a great idea. Gormally's book on tactics and calculation reads as if it was thrown together in a rush. Some good analysis, in no particular order, linked by clumps of dodgy prose. |
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May-22-14
| | Domdaniel: "After 6...Nf6 White has to play accurately to gain anything from the opening" -- Simon Williams, Dangerous Weapons: the Dutch. Black's line may be anti-positional: doesn't mean it's bad. |
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May-22-14
| | Domdaniel: 11...e6! is Williams' improvement. |
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May-22-14
 | | perfidious: <AJ: 2...h6?! 3...g5?
Bad moves ... VERY bad!>
Black's second move is not bad at all; have to admit that I am not wild about 3....g5, but that is a matter of style. Never had either colour after 3....g5 in my playing days, even with a number of games as White in 2.Bg5. In re <FSR>'s post, seems 3.Bf4 might be worth a look. |
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May-22-14
| | perfidious: <Dom> Another note, en passant: in the eighties, I recall having at least one game which began 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bh4 Nf6. Snatched the knight at f6 in a nanosecond, as I was more than happy to play this without Black throwing ....h6 in there--all the better when he did! |
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May-23-14
| | FSR: <Domdaniel: ... Black's line may be anti-positional: doesn't mean it's bad.< I agree. It's much like the so-called Poisoned Pawn Variation of the Najdorf Sicilian. Flohr thought, on general principles, that the PPV must be unsound. But general principles aren't enough, as Fischer and others have recognized. Concrete calculation may show that a gross-looking line is nonetheless playable. |
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May-23-14
| | Domdaniel: <perf> I've never actually played against 2.Bg5, because I normally sidle into the Dutch via 1...e6 and 2...f5. White has the option of a French, but almost nobody takes it. I used to think that this method avoided all the Anti-Dutch systems, until somebody hit me with 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 f5 3.h3 Nf6 4.g4 ... the first time, I grabbed the g-pawn and lost. Next time I knew to play ...d5 instead. |
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May-23-14
| | perfidious: <FSR> That fine line between applying GPs and knowing when to calculate one's way through a minefield separates even some strong masters from the great players. <Dom> On occasion, I played 1.d4 e6 with either colour and even had a player take me up on the invitation to a French. That method has the drawback of not working so well when one wishes to play the Leningrad, though, as I did towards the end of my career. That is a strange sideline you mentioned, and I should probably have played ....d5, as you did after that first go-round. |
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May-23-14
| | Domdaniel: <perf> There's always 1...g6 and 2...f5, though White players are more likely to play 2.e4 and transpose to a Modern/Pirc than they are to play e4 in the 1...e6 line. I often play 1.Nf3 and 2.g3 as White. I've been contemplating 1.g3 and 2.f4 -- a Reversed Leningrad or a Bird Polar Bear, though I haven't got round to it yet. I did play the Bird a few times in the past, in conjunction with e3 and b3. I don't fully understand why the Bird is an inferior opening -- if other lines are playable in reversed form, such as the Sicilian/English or KID/KIA, why not the Dutch/Bird? It may be that the Dutch is a counterpunching variation, a bit like Alekhine's Defence (which I've also tried in reverse!). As black, it works when white overreaches -- but as white, the same formation meets a more stable and solid formation. I like all these transpositional possibilities and reversed openings. Many players ignore these in favour of a solid classical repertoire, but I'm fascinated by the nuances. Recently, I've been looking through Fundamental Chess Openings by Paul van der Sterren -- not particularly deep, but much better on transpositions than most general opening books. |
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May-24-14
| | perfidious: <Dom> My old adversary Joseph Fang used to play 1...g6 with an eye to reaching the Leningrad if allowed, though we never had one of those: I always played 2.e4 and won at least one game from him in the 3.c3 line. As to the Bird, I've a feeling many players do not care to face the From, which I always employed. Most all my games after 1.f4 e5 transposed into King's Gambits of one type or another, the only exception being a blitz game I lost to Michael Rohde long ago. |
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| Nov-21-17 | | PhilFeeley: Williams put this game on his French Opening DVD "The Killer French". Why is beyond me, as it's a Dutch Defense. Also, his opponent was a black lab. Was he calling Danny Gormally a dog? Probably not. Just having a bit of fun with a weird game. |
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| Aug-25-21 | | Bartleby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vs... The above link is a video of Simon Williams humorously annotating this very game as he plays against the "Black Dog" (a literal dog in the vid) of "Slobberdam McDogovich." Its light on analysis but entertaining; the production values would be right at home in some grindhouse film. It takes a certain sense of whimsy and humor to play 4. ...Rh7!? in a serious chess game, and Simon is known to be a provocative player in any regard. In fairness, I think Simon Williams had done substantive prep beforehand to justify that the whole dodgy variation was better than it looked, he just unfortunately blinked with 11. ...exf6?? when 11. ...e6! would have kept the ball rolling. <DomDaniel: I used to think that this method avoided all the Anti-Dutch systems, until somebody hit me with 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 f5 3.h3 Nf6 4.g4 ... the first time, I grabbed the g-pawn and lost. Next time I knew to play ...d5 instead.> This very line is advocated by Simon Williams himself in the "Dangerous Weapons: Dutch" book he co-wrote with Richard Palliser. So yes, an anti-dutch antidote straight from the classical dutch master himself! It's similar to an old Korchnoi idea of 1. d4 f5 2. h3 Nf6 3. g4!? |
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| Aug-25-21 | | posoo: These playors should both ge EXPELED from da European Union. NO ERRORS permitted in EUROP. |
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| Oct-10-21 | | mlskdney: sir pooso you are correct. EXPOLED! |
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| Jul-02-22 | | whiteshark: Position after <11... e6>:
click for larger view
White to move
1) +0.23 (37 ply) 12.Be2 Qxf6 13.Bh5 Qxf2+ 14.Kd1 Ke7 15.Nd2 e3 16.Qxg5+ Qf6 17.Qxe3 Qf4 18.Qd3 Rf5 19.Rf1 Qe5 20.Rxf5 Qxf5 21.g4 Qxd3 22.cxd3 Bh6 23.Kc2 d5 24.h4 Bf4 25.g5 e5 26.Rg1 Bf5 27.Bf3 Rh8 28.Bxd5 Rxh4 29.Nf3 Rg4 30.Rxg4 Bxg4 31.Bxb7 Bxf3 32.Bxf3 Bxg5 33.b4 Ke6 34.Be4 Kd6 35.a4 Bf4 36.Kc3 Bg5 37.a5 Bf6 38.Kb3 c6 39.a6 2) -0.44 (36 ply) 12.Nd2 Qxf6 13.Qxf6 Rxf6 14.Nxe4 Rf5 15.Be2 Be7 16.a3 Rf8 17.Nd2 c6 18.Bg4 Kd8 19.c3 d5 20.h3 Kc7 21.Nf3 Bf6 22.Ke2 Bd7 23.Rhe1 c5 24.Kd2 Rae8 25.a4 a5 26.b3 e5 27.Bxd7 Kxd7 28.Nh2 e4 29.Ng4 Be5 30.Nxe5+ Rxe5 31.f3 3) -0.97 (36 ply) 12.h4 g4 13.Nd2 d5 14.Bb5+ c6 15.Be2 Qxf6 16.Qxf6 Rxf6 17.Bxg4 Bd7 18.f3 exf3 19.gxf3 b5 20.O-O-O a5 21.Kb1 a4 22.a3 Rb8 23.h5 c5 24.Nf1 Bh6 25.Re1 b4 26.axb4 cxb4 27.Ne3 Kd8 28.Nd1 Kc7 29.Re2 Bb5 30.Rxe6 Rxe6 31.Bxe6 Kd6 32.Bf5 Be2 33.Re1 Re8 6.0 minute analysis by Stockfish 11 v064 |
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