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|Jan-04-07|| ||Hoozits: And after 21.Rxd4, Bxd4 22.Qd3, ...? A little help, please?|
|Jan-04-07|| ||Soltari: <Hoozits:> 22...Rxb2+?|
|Jan-04-07|| ||ax2kool: I used Nxa2 as final move....:( ..still a mate but less spectacular....|
|Jan-04-07|| ||Towershield: For some reason I did not find 18.-Re3 immediately.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||beenthere240: After 18...Rb8, how about 19. b3? I think 18...Re3 immediately is necessary because that's how black can remove white's bishop, which is critical to the defense of the king. After 19 b3, an immediate Re3 is no longer practical.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||aldehyde: i found first few moves. but the actual continuation is really an example of fantastic play. Sometimes, i wonder that how could these players find so deep continuations. i bet that these matches would have been long long serious matches.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||LivBlockade: Like several others, I saw through 20...♖b8. I was planning 21...♘xc2 which seems to lead to a winning advantage, but not as good as in the game. After 22. ♕xc2 ♖xb2+; 23. ♕xb2 ♗xb2; 24. ♘e2 ♗a3 material is about even and ♗lack maintains an initiative. After seeing the game solution of 21...♘b5, I tried to continue with 22...♘c3 when if 23. bxc3 Black mates with 23...♕a3. Again, not as simple as the game, but seeing a few lines like this seems to justify the earlier sacrifice of 19...♖xc3. I like to see some concrete lines when sacrificing material - otherwise one might constantly be making unsound sacrifices that just "look right".|
|Jan-04-07|| ||TheBB: <ax2kool: I used Nxa2 as final move....:( ..still a mate but less spectacular....>|
I think Nxa2# is prettier.
|Jan-04-07|| ||blair45: Reference danielpi's kibitz: We were playing over a game at the club many years ago, which ended in the phrase, "the rest is a matter of technique". A friend found an easy win for the loser several moves ahead. We must have struggled an hour over that position, hunting for a win for the winner (never found it). On the one hand, I sympathize with an analyst who doesn,t want to spell out everything. But, on the other, I think some analysts use the phrase as a cop-out.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||YouRang: Well, I did see 18...Re3, and I decided that it was a really neat move and probably the first move of the solution, but I couldn't see where to go from there. |
I spent some time looking at 19. Qd2 Rb8, but the ensuing lines were starting to go beyond the horizon of my board vision.
Then I looked at the solution and satisfied myself that it would have been too hard for me to see all of that at move 18. :-)
|Jan-04-07|| ||kevin86: Well,nobody's perfect--I missed this one entirely-I waslooking for a sharp sac on about every square BUT e3:(|
BTW,I like 25...♘a2# better also. I don't quibble at any move that is mate-lol
|Jan-04-07|| ||Fisheremon: <ajk68><beenthere240: After 18...Rb8, how about 19. b3? I think 18...Re3 immediately is necessary because that's how black can remove white's bishop, which is critical to the defense of the king. After 19 b3, an immediate Re3 is no longer practical.> 18...Rb8 also wins:
19.b3 Nxb3 20. axb3 Rxb3+ 21.cxb3 Qxb3+ 22.Kc1 Bxc3 23.Rf1 , e.g. 23...Re4, but I prefer 23...c5 24.Nf3 Rb8 25.Re1 g6 26.Rhf1 Qa3+ 27.Kd1 Rb2 28.Nd2 c4 29.Qe3 d5 with fierce attack
19.Bxd4 Bxd4 20.b3 c5 21.Nf3 Bf6 22.Qxd6 c4 23.Nd2 cxb3 24.cxb3 Rec8 25.Rhe1 Qa5 26.Re5 Qc3 etc.
A final remark 18.Bc3 was a blunder (18.b3 works as well).|
|Jan-04-07|| ||McCool: Did we have to get all eight moves to get credit for solving this puzzle?|
|Jan-04-07|| ||brainzugzwang: <Hoozits: ... after 21.Rxd4, Bxd4 22.Qd3 ...> 22... Rxb2+ leads to mate: 23.Ka1 Qxa2# or 23.Kc1 Be3+ and 24.Qxc2#.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||RonB52734: More about Ernst Eichhorn: I thought it odd that this game indicates it is a 1968 World Ch. qualifying tournament, and yet I've never heard of either of these fellows, and chessgames.com has only 30 games from them combined. Chessbase has 133 of Eichhorn's games from 1961 to 1994. It gives the following pgn header for the present game:
[Event "WchT U26 15th qual-C"]
If "U26" means "under 26 years of age," as I should think it does, and he died not long ago, then he could have been no older than about 65 -- and probably younger -- when he died.
Does anyone know more about the players or the tournament?
|Jan-04-07|| ||RonB52734: Also, googling Paul Mertens led to this amusing article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa|
|Jan-04-07|| ||LoveThatJoker: You are welcome, Anandr.
|Jan-04-07|| ||TrueBlue: Rb8 was my move of choice, I am just stupid :(|
|Jan-04-07|| ||AwaitingBlunder: 25) ... Nxa2 is also Mate.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||egilarne: I am quite satisfied with myself: I found the forcing moves up to 20-Rb8, and saw the stong threat Nb5! I then made up my mind that white had no defence against the many threats - which was a correct judgement.
Some times you have to stop there - and trust your judgement. But given enough time, of course it would be great to be able to calculate all possible white defences.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||age55: Ernst Eichhorn was a Swiss GM in Correspondence Chess. He died in October 2006 at the age of 60, suffering from cancer.|
|Jan-04-07|| ||artnova: 17. Bc3 is better|
|Jan-05-07|| ||Hoozits: Thanks, Brainzugzwang.|
|Jan-05-07|| ||Hoozits: ...and Soltari.|
|Mar-30-15|| ||SpiritedReposte: Forceful attack.|
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