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|Feb-17-08|| ||mindkontrolle: sorry|
|Feb-17-08|| ||Avarus: Nasty position to end up with.|
|Feb-17-08|| ||somitra: <hedgeh0g: What's the finish?> Note that the position of Black is so bad that he can't do anything. After 27 ...Bxg2 28 Kxg2, Black does not have any good move. His K,R and B can't move. Even the knight is in a precarious position. Attempts to entangle it by c5 is answered by b5. After this the Knight gets blocked at b8.|
As <Avarus> already mentioned, it's a <Nasty position to end up with.> :D
|Feb-17-08|| ||newzild: The final position is almost zugzwang! After exchanging bishops and moving a few pawns, black can only play Nb8. Then white plays Rxa7 and it's zugzwang.|
|Feb-17-08|| ||tatarch: So whats the critical mistake here? Giving up the d file at move 21, or is it before then?|
|Feb-17-08|| ||Sneaky: The final position reminds me of one of my own games, when I am scratching my head thinking "how could I possibly get into such a pickle?"|
|Feb-17-08|| ||jovack: pretty standard game,
i dont know why black started destroying his position there at the end... one positional mistake after another and that's where he ends up
|Feb-17-08|| ||AniamL: A knight on the rim.....|
|Feb-17-08|| ||Magic Castle: This is almost a zugswang. Two of black pieces are frozen, and the remaining pieces are powerless to inflict any harm. After the exchange of white bishops. The white king simply marches out and picks up the pawns.|
|Feb-18-08|| ||tpstar: One line worth examining is 27 ... Bxg2 28. Kxg2 Nb8 29. Rxg7! Rxg7 30. Ne6 which wins material:|
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After 30 ... Kg8 31. Bxg7 Kf7 32. Bxe5 Nd7 White escapes with 33. Ng5+ & 34. Bf4 up a piece. But Black could hope for 30 ... Kg8 31. Nxg7?! Nd7 (hitting the Bf6 while defending the Pe5) 32. Ne6 Kf7 and the fork regains the piece. From the diagram, note 30 ... Nd7 31. Bxg7+ Kh7 (31 ... Kg8 32. Bh6) 32. Nf8+.
As Black I would try 27 ... Bc4 28. Rxa7 Nb8 29. Rb7 and then resign anyway due to 29 ... Na6 30. Bxg7+ Rxg7 31. Rxb6, otherwise 30. Bxg7+ Rxg7 31. Rxb8+.
|Feb-19-08|| ||kevin86: This position for black was as frustrating for black as wearing a hazmat suit and coming up with an itchy nose-lol|
|Mar-11-08|| ||Avarus: <tpstar> "One line worth examining is 27 ... Bxg2 28. Kxg2 Nb8 29. Rxg7! Rxg7 30. Ne6 which wins material"|
As said earlier, black doesn't have good moves. Instead of 29.Rxg7?! I'd play 29.Rb7 Na6 30.h4 Now:
a) N can't move (30..Nb8 31.Bxg7 and 32.Rxb8)
b) B can't move (30..Bxf6 31.Rh7x)
c) R can't move (or B is lost)
d) 30..c5 b5
e) 30..b5 31.axb5 cxb5 32.Kg1
f) 30..e4 31.Kg1
and at some point black has to play ..e3 fxe3 and move the knight finally to drop it.
|Mar-11-08|| ||tpstar: <Avarus> I agree with your lines which lead toward Zugzwang and material loss.|
I disagree with assigning "?!" to a tactic that wins material. It is just as winning to cash in on an overwhelming positional advantage versus creating a Zugzwang situation.
|Mar-11-08|| ||euripides: White's opening, which goes by various names, represents an interesting alternative to the rather theorietcal main lines against the Leningrad Dutch, which would arise after after 6.c4 0-0 7.Nc3.|
|Mar-11-08|| ||Avarus: <tpstar> It's apples and oranges here as white has many winning lines. I assigned "?!" to point out the move is a bit more complicated.|
|Jan-12-17|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: If I hadn't know the players, would have guessed that Petrosian played White. Opening classification should change to Leningrad Dutch.|
|Jan-12-17|| ||Swedish Logician: I had the same thought, <An Englishman>; this game by Petrosian springs to mind Petrosian vs P M Nielsen, 1960|
|Jan-12-17|| ||playground player: And they say *my* name is hard to pronounce!|
|Jan-12-17|| ||kevin86: Black has no good moves and will lose material soon.|
|Jan-12-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: I'd play 27 Rxg7, 28. RxB Bxd5 29. cxB, Ne6 putting a lot of hurt on Purton|
|Jan-12-17|| ||Knight13: 21... Rd1? is a mistake. Gave up the d-file for no good reason that I can see.|
|Jan-12-17|| ||ajile: Black was purton on a show with his delayed Leningrad Dutch. But failed to stop White from quickly opening the center and capitalizing on Black's weak k-side light squares.|
White gets in e4 and Black wants his signature ..e5 move. The problem is Black isn't really ready to have a big battle in the center since behind in development.
This is the woe of the Leningrad Dutch player. Also this White trick of playing c3 instead of c4 allows White to play a quick Qb3+ further attacking Black's weak light k-side squares.
Move order is absolutely critical and Black must play the correct sequences of moves to survive these anti Dutch offshoots of the main lines.
|Jan-12-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: Correction: I'd play 27 Rxg7, 28. RxR Bxd5 29. cxB, Ne6 putting a lot of hurt on Purton|
|Jan-12-17|| ||morfishine: <ajile> Nice post|
|Jan-12-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: 350 rating point difference and the weaker player with the Black pieces gets rolled.|
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