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Alexander Grischuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Tal Memorial (2006), Moscow RUS, rd 9, Nov-16
Queen's Gambit Declined: Ragozin Defense (D38)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Nov-16-06  mazetas: I must thanks CG for the live coverage of the games, cause the official site #$%^*.
Nov-16-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Why not 17.Rxc5?
Nov-16-06  jjp: I wrote move 16 for a reason 16.Bxf6 was actually played.
Nov-16-06  boz: White looks good. Once the c-pawn falls, it's an IQP position with none of the drawbacks.
Nov-16-06  Marmot PFL: Why take f6 if he was going to plat Nb3 anyway I wonder
Nov-16-06  LoveThatJoker: Because Grischuk has time still to play Rxc5. Also remember that he is gaining a tempo by playing Nb6 - attacking the Queen.
Nov-16-06  slomarko: Pono, Leko, Gelfand, Aronian thank you all for the interesting chess you provided today. not. i think Grischuk-Carlsen is heading for a draw too.
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  Mateo: Draw official.
Nov-16-06  LoveThatJoker: Sorry...Nb3
Nov-16-06  firebyrd: <Mateo> if <16Nb3 Qb6 17Nxc5> Grischuk would still have the bishop pair
Nov-16-06  percyblakeney: Oops...
Nov-16-06  artemis: Emperor: by playing the Nb3 move first, White is developing his knight first, then taking the pawn. My coach (a life master) has a saying that I love, and has made my game much stronger " a piece that an amateur will take in one move, an expert will take in two, and a master in 3." the point is, why take the piece when you can improve your position first, then take the piece later?
Nov-16-06  Marmot PFL: Draw= maybe grischuk should have headed for rook ending.
Premium Chessgames Member Well that leaves us with one more game. Stay tuned, we might as well watch that one draw as well.
Nov-16-06  boz: This is ridiculous.
Nov-16-06  LoveThatJoker: Yes Artemis. Thank you for sharing that. I've seen Athahualpa post before. He is no novice. But indeed it feels good to hear an important lesson from a Chess Coach. Thank you.
Nov-16-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Another draw. :( I think I can hear Tal turning in his grave!
Nov-16-06  slomarko: i cant believe it!! this is an absolute scandal!!!
Nov-16-06  charms: this makes me wanna guess the outcome of the Morosevitch-Shirov encounter.
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  Peligroso Patzer: Another draw. This calls to mind Botvinnik's quip that it would be an improvement on the standard tournament schedule if there were no last round.
Nov-16-06  artemis: Joker: I know that he is no novice. But I would not have considered myself a novice when he gave me that advice. There are many experienced chess players who have not heard many useful rules of thumb like that one.
Nov-16-06  Drawnomore: why they no longer want to play?????????Carlsen will have had a lot of work to gain a draw!!!
Nov-16-06  WarmasterKron: <<EmperorAtahualpa> Another draw. :( I think I can hear Tal turning in his grave!>

Really? A quick look at the database shows that Tal played more than 600 draws of 25 moves or less. He may have been a great attacker, but he was hardly vehemently anti-draw like, for instance, Topalov.

Nov-16-06  Ulhumbrus: Carlsen played for a win, first choosing the Ragozin defence to the QP, then offering a pawn , then taking one. However Grischuk did not choose to risk losing in an attempt to win, so the outcome was a draw. A quiet looking draw may mean simply that either player's attempts to win or to gain an advantage have not succeeded.
Nov-16-06  slomarko: as Bobby said far too many games at the top level are prearenged!
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