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Sandor Bartha vs Gyula Kluger
Hungary (1979)
Modern Defense: Queen Pawn Fianchetto (A40)  ·  0-1



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Aug-15-21  nalinw: Unlike Stockfish 14 quoted above our "Engine" comes up with

17. .... Be6 !

Aug-15-21  mel gibson: <Aug-15-21 nalinw: Unlike Stockfish 14 quoted above our "Engine" comes up with

17. .... Be6 !>

How long did you run it for?
Mine was 356 seconds on an i7 quad core.

Aug-15-21  nalinw: I was referring to the Engine provided on this site ....
Aug-15-21  AlicesKnight: I feel the ghost of Alekhine's disruptive .... Re3 against Reti, perhaps, while he was also busy on the Q-side with knights? A very satisfying attack.
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  agb2002: Black has the bishop pair for a bishop and a knight.

The white queen lacks mobility. Black can take advantage of this to force a weakening of the white castle with 17... Rf3 18.gxf3 (18.Nd5 Rxd3 19.Nxe7 Rxd1 20.Rxd1 Bxe7 wins a piece) 18... Bf4:

A) 19.Nxd4 Qg5+ 20.Kh1 Qh5 and mate in three.

B) 19.Rfe1 Qg5+ 20.Kh1 (20.Kf1 Bh3#) 20... Qh4 21.Kg1 Qxh2+ 22.Kf1 Qh1# (or 22... Bh3#).

C) 19.Nd5 Bxh2+ 20.Kxh2 (20.Kh1 Qh4 and 20.Kg2 Qg4+ 21.Kg1 Qh4 and mate soon) 20... Qh4+ 21.Kg1 (21.Kg2 Bh3+ wins) 21... Bh3 22.f4 (22.Kh1(2) Bg4+ 23.Kg1 -23.Kg2 Qh3+ 24.Kg1 Bxf3 wins- 23... Bxf3 24.Qxf3 Nxf3+ and mate in two) 22... Qg4+ 23.Qg3 (else 23... Qg2#) 23... Ne2+ recovers material and should be winning for Black.

D) 19.Ne2 Nxe2+ 20.Qxe2 Qh4 and mate in three.

Aug-15-21  mel gibson: < Aug-15-21 mel gibson: <Aug-15-21 nalinw: Unlike Stockfish 14 quoted above our "Engine" comes up with

17. .... Be6 !

Aug-15-21 nalinw: I was referring to the Engine provided on this site ....>

You did something wrong -
17. .... Be6 !
shows as a draw on my Stockfish 14.

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  Teyss: <nalinw: This was a Thursday (!!) puzzle in 2007> Depressing, isn't it? :-( On the other hand the opposite sometimes happens, with mid-week of even Monday puzzles that are more difficult than standard.

Brilliant combination although Black missed a quicker win: 25...Qh5 instead of 25...Bxf1. See Dilbertarian's and subsequent kibitzes on the first page for more detail. The computer evals are close but in human mode it's easier to win a net R than R for B.

Oh and of course I didn't get it. Saw 17...Rf3 and 18...Bf4 but chickened out on 19...Bxh2+.

Aug-15-21  rwbean: Fascinating, I don't think it's been mentioned that 17. ♘d5 would be even but the move played loses immediately.
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  chrisowen: In fact knight's tango da x
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  chrisowen: Hollow victory no?
Aug-15-21  Brenin: <rwbean>: I think 17 Nd5, instead 17 Qd3, gives White the advantage, e.g. 17 ... Bxd2 18 Nxe7 Bg5 19 Nxc8 R(either)xc8 20 Nxd6, winning a P; it doesn't help Black to interpose Nxb5 cxb5 since this allows an eventual Rxd6. If the Q retreats, e.g. 17 ... Qd8, then 18 f4 looks strong.
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  Fusilli: What a beautiful thing.
Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 37

+0.67 8.Ng3 exd5 9.cxd5 Na6 10.Be2 Re8 11.f3 Nd7 12.Bf4 Ne5 13.O-O h5 14.Qd2 Nc7 15.a4 Bd7 16.Bg5

Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 36

0.00 10.h3 b6 11.Bg5 Bb7 12.Qd2 Qd7 13.Bc2 Ne5 14.b3 Nc6 15.Rad1 Nd4 16.Be3 e5 17.Nd5 Rf7 18.Nxd4

0.00 10.Bc2 b6 11.Bg5 Ba6 12.b3 h6 13.Bf4 Nd4 14.e5 Nh5 15.Bd2 Bxe5 16.Nxd4 cxd4 17.Qg4 dxc3 18.Qxg6+

Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 37

-0.63 10....b6 11.b3 Bb7 12.Bb2 Ne5 13.f3 d5 14.cxd5 exd5 15.Nxd5 Nxd5 16.exd5 Qxd5 17.Rad1 Qxd3 18.Qxd3 Nxd3

Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 33

-0.27 11....Rxf6 12.Bc2 e5 13.Qd3 Be6 14.Nd5 Rf8 15.Rad1 Kh7 16.Qg3 Qd7 17.h3 Qf7 18.Bd3 Rac8 19.Kh1 Rcd8

-0.19 11....Qxf6 12.f4 Bd7 13.Qe1 Rad8 14.Qg3 Be8 15.Rae1 Bf7 16.Bb1 a6 17.Rf2 Qe7 18.e5 dxe5 19.Bxg6 Bxg6

Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 36

-0.09 12.f4 Bd7 13.e5 dxe5 14.Bxg6 exf4 15.Nxf4 Bd4+ 16.Kh1 Ne5 17.Be4 Qg5 18.Nce2 Be3 19.g3 Rad8 20.Qc2

-0.43 12.Kh1 Bxc3 13.Nxc3 e5 14.Qd2 Kg7 15.f4 Rxf4 16.Rxf4 exf4 17.Qxf4 Be6 18.Be2 Ne5 19.Rd1 Qe7 20.b3

Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 41

0.00 13.f4 Bd7 14.Rad1 Qe7 15.e5 dxe5 16.Bxg6 exf4 17.Qxd7 Bd4+ 18.Nxd4 Qxd7 19.Nf5+ Rxf5 20.Rxd7+ Kxg6 21.Rxb7

Aug-15-21  cormier: SF Depth 36

-0.36 13....Bd4 14.b3 e5 15.Nxd4 cxd4 16.Nd5 g5 17.f3 Rf7 18.b4 Be6 19.Rb1 Ne7 20.a4 Ng6 21.a5 Nf4

+0.04 13....e5 14.Bb1 Be6 15.b3 Nd4 16.Qd3 Qe8 17.Nd5 Rc8 18.Rde1 Nxe2+ 19.Qxe2 Qd7 20.Rd1 Bg5 21.Nc3 a6

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  OhioChessFan: Ben Finegold has a saying something like "The hardest move to see is when a piece doesn't move as far as possible in that direction."
Aug-15-21  cormier: sf Depth 30

-0.11 13....Bd4 14.Nb5 e5 15.a3 b6 16.Nbxd4 cxd4 17.b4 g5 18.Ng3 Ne7 19.Rc1 Be6 20.c5 bxc5 21.bxc5 Rb8

Aug-15-21  cormier: sf Depth 39

+0.09 14.f4 b6 15.Bc2 Nd4 16.Nb5 e5 17.f5 Bg5 18.Qd3 gxf5 19.exf5 Bxf5 20.Rxf5 Nxf5 21.Ng3 e4 22.Nxf5+

Aug-15-21  cormier: sf Depth 40

0.00 14....Bd4 15.e5 dxe5 16.Qd3 Rf5 17.Qd2 Rf7 18.Qd3

Aug-15-21  cormier: sf Depth 40

+0.74 15.Qd3 e5 16.Nd5 Qd8 17.Nxd4 cxd4 18.f4 Be6 19.b3 Rc8 20.a4 Qe8 21.f5 Bxd5 22.exd5 e4 23.Qxe4

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