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|Mar-03-07|| ||chessmoron: <white should try 29.Rxe8+.> Yes but Jesus picked 29....Qd6 which is the 30th move if White plays 29. Rxe8+.|
|Mar-03-07|| ||think: Why not 28. ... Bxb7?|
|Mar-03-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <Another try for Black is 28..Qa1+> Then white escapes 29. Kg2, and if 29...Bxb7, then 30.Rxe8 Kxe8 31. Qh8+ [anything] 32. e6+ and black queen is gone.|
And if 29 ... Qa3, then nothing new...
|Mar-03-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <think: Why not 28. ... Bxb7?> see my previous comment. Same thing.|
<RandomVisitor: white should try 29.Rxe8+> Good idea! This forces 29... Bxe8 (29...Kxe8? Qg8#) and white welcomes black back to the original massacre after e6.
|Mar-03-07|| ||al wazir: How does white win after 28...Bd7 ?
My try was 28. Rxe7! Rxe7 29. Rh8+. Then there are three lines:
A) 29...Kc7 (29...Kd7 30. e6+, winning the ♕) 30. Qxe7+ Kb6 (30...Bd7 31. e6) 31. Rxa8 Bxa8 32. Qd8+, winning the ♗.
B) 29...Re8 30. Rxe8+ Kxe8 31. Qh8+ Kd7 32. e6+, winning the ♕.
But after C) 29...Bd8 white runs out of checks.
|Mar-03-07|| ||al wazir: I see the answer to my question: 28...Bd7 29. Rxe8+ Bxe8 (29...Kxe8 30. Qg8#) 30. Qxe7+ Kc8 31. Qc7#.|
|Mar-03-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: BTW, I think white could've gained advantage earlier by playing 19.Ng5+ instead of Ne5+, no?|
|Mar-03-07|| ||jmrulez2004: I found 28.Rxe8 ...its not bad for white too...but after cheking thoroughly, 28.Rh8 is the one that gives white a mucxh bigger advantage,so yerp..thats the best move...chess games is right|
|Mar-03-07|| ||percyblakeney: I got the crucial lines after 28. ... Bxb7 even if I never looked at Qa3. As has been pointed out 29. Rxe8+ is best for white in the game continuation to avoid Kc8 which slows things up a bit, after <28. ... Qa3 29. Rxe8+ Bxe8 30. e6> there are no playable moves for black.|
I first had the line <28. ... Bxb7 29. Rxe8+ Kxe8 30. e6> to create a mate threat and see what happens after Kd8 Qf8+ Kc7 Qxe7+, and it took a while to realise the problem with 30. e6 in that position... After eventually seeing it, the Qh8+ followed by e6+ thing winning the queen wasn't too hard to find. This time too I quickly decided on the first move, but now it was the right one...
|Mar-03-07|| ||consul: <jmrulez2004: I found 28.Rxe8> You certainly mean 28. ♖xe7, that's the one i got too... and, unfortunately, it's not the best. Perhaps i should take more time...|
|Mar-03-07|| ||TrueBlue: got it! 6/6 this week. Tried Re7 first, saw it doesn't work and they I saw Rh8!|
|Mar-03-07|| ||Fisheremon: <MostlyAverageJoe: <capa5: Easiest Saturday> Then help me with these lines:> <I see no immediate and spectacular win in either.>|
<1) 28. Rh8 Qa3 29. e6 Kc8 30. Rxe7 Qxe7 31. Qxe7 Rxh8 32. a5 Re8> 32.g5 gives a clear win.
<2) 28. Rh8 Qa3 29. e6 Kc8 30. Rxe8+ Kxb7 31. Rxe7+ Ka6> One may mark here 30.Re8+?!
Certainly 29.Rxe8+ is quicker to the win.
About the whole game: 16...e4? (16...exd4 equalizes)
19.Ne5+?! slipping away advantage (19.Ng5+ gives a clear win)
23.Rb1?! giving Black advantage (23.0-0-0!?)
24...Bd7?? losing (24...Qxc2 still keeping advantage)
|Mar-03-07|| ||Themofro: Sigh, i missed, was looking for some spectatular breakthrough sacrifice, lol, needless to say, wasn't there, =)|
|Mar-03-07|| ||playground player: It's puzzles like this that make me think I don't know anything about chess at all. Anybody for a game of Monopoly?|
|Mar-03-07|| ||slowcrawl: What happens after 28...Bxb7?|
|Mar-03-07|| ||tpstar: <slowcrawl> If 28 ... Bxb7 then White can create a winning Discovery on the undefended Qc3 with 29. Rxe8+ Kxe8 (29 ... Kd7/Kc7 30. Rxe7+ wins by grabbing the Bb7 with check) 30. Qh8+:|
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Now 30 ... Kd7/Kf7 31. e6+ & 32. Qxc3.
|Mar-03-07|| ||dispatched33: thanks, tpstar. didn't see the discovery, and the inclusion of the board really helped. how'd you do that incidentally? i've been trying to come up with a graphical way to record positions and haven't had much luck. can you do that at chessgames.com?|
|Mar-03-07|| ||tpstar: <dispatched33> Hello! Welcome to the group! In late 2005 they enhanced this site by allowing FEN diagrams embedded within posts. The technique is very easy to learn, and diagrams greatly improve communication while avoiding piece placement errors. FEN Help Page|
You can put up to 4 diagrams per post. Best of all, if you make a mistake, you just get [bad FEN] and then try again. See you around.
|Mar-03-07|| ||dispatched33: thanks again, tpstar. checking it out now. only recently heard about this Web site, and upon arrival my jaw dropped. glad to finally get here.|
|Mar-03-07|| ||kevin86: A tough puzzle. I did see the Q on Q possibilities along the long diagonal. |
The final move is a good twist. White saves his rook,dooms the black bishop,and threatens mate-black is lost.
|Mar-03-07|| ||Reisswolf: Okay, I understand why 28...♗xb7 loses, but why not 29...♗xb7? The black queen is no longer in danger.|
|Mar-04-07|| ||tpstar: <Reisswolf> After 29. e6 Black must be able to answer 30. Rxe8+ with 30 ... Bxe8, as 29 ... Bxb7? 30. Rxe8+ Kxe8 31. Qg8# or 31. Qh8#.|
|Mar-04-07|| ||ALEXIN: Great combination. All white moves are strong from move 28 !
But probably Nogeiras has not been enough prudent.|
|May-13-07|| ||Ranjan: 13 may 2007 happy birth day to great niaz murshed !
he was one of the most charming chess player in 1986-1991 period.
|Jun-10-10|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: I swear to God half these puzzles have been mined straight out of CT-Art|
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