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Vladimir Kramnik vs Viswanathan Anand
Corus Group A (2007), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 6, Jan-19
Catalan Opening: Closed Variation (E06)  ·  1-0



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Jan-19-07  Ulhumbrus: The pair of moves 7...a6 and 8...b5 not only makes the c pawn backward but makes a permanent weakness of Black's Q side. Can Black get away with it? Possibly, if he can place annoying little distractions before White that prevent White from fixing the c pawn or making a target of the Black a and b pawns. Anand did get away with it in earlier games, as pointed out by some kibitzers here. One point which is both important and interesting is that by 20...Bxe5 Anand parts with the bishop pair. This is never an asset to concede lightly, and in fact Anand loses the endgame after making this concession. Whish suggests the question: Given that Anand does gain the outpost c4 why does this fail ? One answer is that Anand makes no attempt to play his N to c4, for only if the N is placed really well can it even equalize against the bishop pair, or against a powerful Bishop. However there is a reason why Anand does not play his N to c4: Kramnik does not give him time. 24 Qf2!! prepares to attack the point b6 twice by e4, so that Black cannot play his N to c4 via b6. Kramnik thereafter plays 30 f4! so that the N cannot go to c4 via the point e5. That which I almost forgot occurs to me: Kramnik is a very strong technician.After 36 e5 fxe5 37 Bb7! it turns out that White's KB is placed more usefully in b7, attacking the a6 pawn,than Black's QB is placed usefully on c4. One way of looking at this win is that White does not win easily against Black's eccentric looking play. Instead White wins barely and with great difficulty and thereby appears to win easily. An expert can make it look easy, as they say.
Jan-19-07  boz: Superb link <shr0pshire>. Thank you.
Jan-19-07  you vs yourself: <shr0pshire> Thanks for the link! The videos were great.
Jan-19-07  samikd: <shropshire> Thanks ! This is what I was waiting for
Jan-19-07  fromoort: <shr0pshire>How does this link work? Do I have to download something to view the videos? All I get when I click on the link is some webpage in Spanish.
Jan-19-07  slomarko: i dislike Kramnik but i've to say one thing, today he played great!
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  keypusher: <shr0pshire> Thanks, terrific!
Jan-19-07  PeerGynt: Good game and good analysis by Kramnik. He was not completely honest though. Most of the time he was saying that white had HUGE advantage, but at some moment he discussed possibly drawing lines for black. So which move was the turning point from advantage to almost draw? He needed two poor moves from black to win the game g5 and even after that Ke7. Obviously some of his moves before that was inferior.
Jan-19-07  Tomlinsky: Cheers shr0pshire. Excellent.
Jan-19-07  PinkPanther: <alicefujimori>
No, the KID IS dubious. If black's kingside attack doesn't work, he loses. The KID is positionally garbage, so if that attack doesn't pan out, he's completely lost. Stopping the attack is easier said than done, but if a opening so drastically puts all its eggs into one basket, shouldn't it be considered dubious? I'm hoping for a KID between Kramnik and Radjabov when they play, and I'm not going as far as to say Kramnik will crush Radjabov but well...let's just say I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened.
Jan-19-07  strobane: <Lt. Col. Majid> This win means nothing, it is no achievement at all.

Why do you say this?

Jan-19-07  setebos: It is an asinine statement that means nothing.
Jan-19-07  artemis: PeerGynt: He did not say that white had a huge advantage, but more that black's position was very bad. Can you argue with that? And anyway, this is Kramnik, he sees draws everywhere.
Jan-19-07  Milo: Anand doesn't really choke as much as people claim. If he has trouble in key situations against the very best players, that is because everyone does. Losing matches to Kasparov, for instance, is not a sign of weakness.
Jan-19-07  you vs yourself: I am hoping this opening is some decoy that Anand is employing so his opponents for Mexico '07 will prepare for this and face something else...
Jan-20-07  alicefujimori: <samikd><What is that ?>It's 6...Ng4 vs 6.Be3 in the Najdorf.

<did Kasparov say anything about the Grunfeld ? (why he gave it up and his recent evaluation)>No, he did not say anything about the Grunfeld, but I certainly don't see the reason why he gave it up. As Svidler had proved over the years, there's nothing wrong with the Grunfeld but to be honest, it looked like Kasparov didn't put any serious effects into his black repertoire against 1.d4 since his match vs Kramnik. The QGA and NID doesn't really suit him and he certainly didn't bring in any major improvements like he used to do in those openings since his match against Kramnik.

Jan-20-07  alicefujimori: <PinkPanther><No, the KID IS dubious. If black's kingside attack doesn't work, he loses. The KID is positionally garbage, so if that attack doesn't pan out, he's completely lost.>Just because it puts all the eggs in one basket that doesn't mean it is dubious. It just means the risks are high. What you are saying here applies equally to openings like the Grunfeld and the Yugoslav attack of the Sicilian Dragon as well. In the Grunfeld, if black does not succeed in breaking down white's centre then he's positionally dead and most probably lost. In the Yugo of the Sicilian Dragon, if black fails to create enough counterplay on the queenside against white's kingside, then he's lost.

So it's all about the amount of risk one wants to take. Risky does not mean dubious.

Jan-20-07  Phoenix: Thank God for garbage openings, then!
Jan-20-07  notyetagm: <alicefujimori: ... So it's all about the amount of risk one wants to take. Risky does not mean dubious.>

Exactly. When you have to win a game with Black, you do not play the Queen's Indian or the Queen's Gambit.

When Kramnik needed to win late in his 2004 match with Leko and had the Black pieces, he played the Benoni(!). Yes, I am not kidding you. Of course he did not win since he is not a professional Benoni player, but Kramnik played this borderline positionally unsound opening because he needed the increases winning chances this opening offered. Of course, that also comes with increased -losing- chances.

Jan-20-07  Ulhumbrus: On 16 a3 an alternative to 16...Bd6 is to bring the QN right back again by 16...Nc6, both attacking the B on a5 and supporting the pawn advance ...b5-b4 but also getting ready for the pawn advance 17...a6-a5 hindering the pawn advance b2-b4 on White's part. White may yet turn out to be unable to take advantage of Black's Q side weaknesses, at least in this variation.
Jan-20-07  sheaf: kramnik called this opening line fashionable in his press conference.... i think its dubious... a masterpiece on positional play... wonderful game kramnik thinks 22.. Nc4 was not a good move but thinks that the alternative Nc6 is also not profoundly better either... he also thinks 33.. Kf7 would have been better.. but i personally consider this lost at that point with or without Kf7.. I agree with kramnik that 36.e5 is faster than Bh3 which was my choice... i am still wondering what was anands most crucial mistake was it 22..Nc4 which lost him the game... if not i think this whole line is dubious for black
Jan-20-07  dehanne: In the video Kramnik doesn't even consider 22...Bc4 which is much better for black according to the Chessbase analysis.

He only looks at 22...Nc6?! which is just as dubious as 22...Nc4.

Jan-20-07  PinkPanther: Nope, still dubious.
Jan-20-07  WarmasterKron: <Phoenix> If it weren't for garbage openings, I'd have nothing to play!
Jan-22-07  Stevens: a few people watching the live game wanted 36.Bh3 instead of 36.e5. In the video analysis from chessvibes Kramnik gives the following as his reason for playing the latter.

36. Bh3 Nf8
37. Bc8 Bd3
38. e5 fxe
39. fxe Kf7
40. Kf2 Be4
41. Ke3 Bd5
42. Bxa6

"and i'm not sure i can win this"

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