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Veselin Topalov vs Vladimir Kramnik
Corus Group A (2007), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 12, Jan-27
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz Attack. Main Line New Main Line (D37)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jan-27-07  acirce: <The draw between Topalov and Kramnik arose in a completely bizarre way. After move 44 it was clear the position was dead drawn. What would happen now? Topalov was thinking, Kramnik was walking around. Who would be the first to call it a day? A pair of knights was exchanged. Kramnik looked up for a second. Topalov nodded. Kramnik took his scoresheet and signed it. While the arbiter was putting the kings in the middle of the board, the scoresheets were exchanged.>

http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=526#mo...

Jan-27-07  Lt. Col. Majid: Thx 4 the video link acirce. Those guys must feel like gods lol ... look at all the photographers.

No handshake wow.

Jan-27-07  THE pawn: I thought it was an important rule to shake hands before the game. God they act like children...
Jan-27-07  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 12..dxc4, on 12...e5 13 Nb3 Qc7 14 Nb5 Qb8! Black seems to have the better of it.
Jan-27-07  Ulhumbrus: After 33 Rg6 Black has two isolated pawns on e6 and g7, White has more space and his R is more active than Black's. White can be forecast to win- providing that he can make all of these assets count.
Jan-27-07  Dionyseus: From the video that <acirce> provided, Kramnik was clearly the one who did not offer to shake hands when he arrived at the board.
Jan-27-07  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 34 a4, 34 Nb5 takes a step topwards Nd4 and 34...a6 weakans the b6 pawn. 36 a5 loses another tempo whereupon 36 ...g5!! removes Black's disadvantages at a single stroke, as if by a magic spell. In just one move Black makes his R as active as White's Rook, reduces White's advantage in space and makes White's e pawn no more valuable than Black's e pawn. More can hardly be accomplished by a single move! After this Kramnik gains an eventual draw.
Jan-27-07
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  keypusher: I am all for good manners, but until Topalov withdraws his accusation of cheating against Kramnik and apologizes, I do not think it would be appropriate for Kramnik to shake his hand.
Jan-27-07  whiskeyrebel: Well, on the other hand it could've been worse..they might've gone fist city or swapped insults about each other's Mother. They both know there's a lot of money at stake though and were probably coached ahead of time by their managers how to behave right down to the draw agreement ritual.
Jan-27-07  EmperorAtahualpa: <From the video that <acirce> provided, Kramnik was clearly the one who did not offer to shake hands when he arrived at the board.>

<Dionyseus> I just saw a report on Dutch TV about today's match, and I think it's clear now that both players never intended to shake each other's hands.

In an interview with Dutch TV, Topalov also said that he never intended to shake hands with Kramnik and actually did not want to shake hands with him already since game 4 of the World Championship Match in Elista.

Anyway, I think Kramnik has actually much more the right not to shake hands with Topalov than vice versa, but that is just my personal opinion.

Jan-27-07  Kaspablanca: The Topalov-Kramnik no hand shake could be the same that happened with Kasparov-Shirov no hand shake?
Jan-28-07  Karpova: Easy draw for Kramnik
Jan-28-07  square dance: <From the video that <acirce> provided, Kramnik was clearly the one who did not offer to shake hands when he arrived at the board.> it just never ends with these people.
Jan-28-07  laskereshevsky: HELLO
both were not ready x shake hands, even if VLAD try to watch VESELIN for a monent just before the match began. After all its unpleasent try to offer a hand-shake with someone VERY VERY absorbed in a lecture...or to pretend to be....at least!!

I agree with <THE pawn:> <....God they act like children...>

Jan-29-07  Stevens: in case it's not been posted already, here is a second video from a different perspective of the start of the match. it captures close up the expressions of the players

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OH7...

Jan-30-07  russep: These two really need to have another WC match.
Feb-27-07  Tactic101: Do I feel another bitter chess rivalry coming up?
Jan-24-08  Scarecrow: I don't know if this was posted before, there's a video showing the end of this game:

http://s140.photobucket.com:80/albu...

Jan-24-08  KamikazeAttack: <keypusher: I am all for good manners, but until Topalov withdraws his accusation of cheating against Kramnik and apologizes, I do not think it would be appropriate for Kramnik to shake his hand.>

I couldn't agree more.

There is much more than shaking of hands here.

Question is:
What kind of human being would deliberately and intentionally cook up a blatant lie to destroy the credibility of another person? And worse, to still continue to maintain the lie and somehow feel aggrieved?

One could bend backward and somehow understand but not condone Topa’s behaviour during the match and put it down to manic desperation but c’mon it is well over a year now. Hasn’t he got the benefit of hindsight??? Shocking!

Forget about Danailov for minute, Topalov himself MUST be naturally comfortable with falsehood. You have to be inherently dishonest with no conscience whatsoever.

I maybe wrong but I just can’t imagine Sampras, Federer, Schumacher, Jordan, Woods or tops of other sports or Kramnik, Anand, Leko, Karpov, Korchnoi and even ego-has-landed Kasparov living a lie for so long or being comfortable with such falsehood. I haven’t seen anything like this in sports before … not on this level anyway.

All because you don’t want to lose and cannot accept a professional loss???? Shameful.

Jan-24-08  walker: Russians began the attack against Toppa shortly after he became WC in Argentina. Fact. Period.
Jan-24-08  square dance: what do some random russians have to do with kramnik? is topalov to blame for everything any bulgarian does?
Jan-24-08  Petrosianic: <walker>: <Russians began the attack against Toppa shortly after he became WC in Argentina. Fact. Period.>

Topalov has never been WC, fact, period.

And the person who accused him after San Luis was Kasimdzhanov, who is not Russian, fact, period.

And if you're implying that Topalov lied about Kramnik deliberately as payback for what Kasim said about him, then you're doing Topalov no favors by suggesting this. If anything, you're making him look worse.

Jan-24-08  walker: <Petrosianic><Topalov has never been WC, fact, period.> After this statement I don't believe I have anything to do with you. I am not interested in kindergarden stuff. Go play with your toys. Period.
Jan-24-08  KamikazeAttack: There are champions and there are Mickey Mouse champions, u know the Disney world kindof lol.

Kalifman, Kasim, Pono, Topa ... hahaha

Jan-24-08  jmi: <square dance> it's kinda hard to argue with someone who believes that Communists are murderers.

'nuff said.

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