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|May-21-13|| ||Kanatahodets: <awfulhangover: I can't understand why some defend him. Maybe they like him as a clown.> Genius-clown, how many times I've seen that. I am starting to think that genius must be nasty, grumpy and unpleasant with few exceptions.|
|May-21-13|| ||kevin86: Qxe4! and mate in two if white takes the queen and even a second sacifice at b1,if he doesn't.|
|May-21-13|| ||Jack Kerouac: Chess Community:
'Check' this out-
|May-21-13|| ||FSR: 27...Qxe4 is krushing.|
|May-21-13|| ||Once: Hmmm ... I wonder. There is more than one way to interpret the story on page 1 of the kibitzing. Irina told the story from her perspective. But it's not the only way of seeing this.|
Irina's version has Korchnoi as a grumpy old man who is annoyed at having lost to her. Perhaps because she is a woman and/or much younger than him.
The other way of looking at this is that Korchnoi might also have been annoyed at himself for losing from a strong position, especially when he had a winning move of his own with 27. Rf8+.
I'm sure we've all played games where we were comfortably ahead, only to play a last minute lemon and allow the other guy to win trivially. That can really hurt - and probably more so than being steadily outplayed by someone clearly better than yourself.
All we've got to go on is Irina's account. Is it possible that she may have misread his reaction to the game? I really don't know, but it's food for thought.
|May-21-13|| ||Conrad93: Man, that took me a minute or two to see. I'm getting really bad.|
|May-21-13|| ||RookFile: Alekhine said to examine all captures and checks. Obviously, you don't play them all, but they help find solutions like this.|
|May-21-13|| ||bengalcat47: Korchnoi got "krushed" by Irina!|
|May-21-13|| ||Ceri: Hi, all,
Back in the days when we playing Team Chess together, Irina and I used to exchange e-mails. She knew stuff like dense mists blowing over the Welsh hills.
From what I saw, she was an engaging young lady.
|May-21-13|| ||Chess for life: Add my name to the list of people who stared at this for 15 minutes thinking it was White to play...For some reason I couldn't make Rf8+ work...|
|May-21-13|| ||BlackSheep: Ouch , I'm on the list .|
|May-21-13|| ||BOSTER: "People are afraid to face how great a part of life is dependent of Luck".
If somebody could shot the moment when Korchnoi touched the rook from f4, and this rook bouncing a split of second was hanging in the thick air, he would see deeply into life.|
With a little Luck it goes forward (Rf8) and you win, or maybe it doesn't and you lose (Rf2).
|May-21-13|| ||scutigera: ††
There have been a few comments in this thread conflating oneís manners at the chessboard with oneís attitude towards the game: <Kanatahodets: I conclude; in order to be a very good chess player, nothing is wrong if you are a horrible loser. This motivates for future wins>; <Once: The other way of looking at this is that Korchnoi might also have been annoyed at himself for losing from a strong position.>; <SteinitzLives: Korchnoi is like Fischer in that to tolerate him, one must separate him from his art.>. The notion is questionable at best and both wrong and unjust at worst; Fischer is universally agreed by his opponents to have been unfailingly polite at the board, however wackadoo he was away from it, and for every world champion who was nasty in the tournament hall, e.g. Alekhine, there was at least one who was sportsmanlike even beyond the norm, e.g. Lasker. If rudeness is an expression of will-to-win, then politeness is an expression of self-discipline and objectivity, surely at least as necessary to top-level play. However hard you may be on yourself, if you cannot contain that rage, you really canít expect to do well at chess; outbursts like Korchnoiís (repeated and extended, you will observe) in this instance mean not that he didnít have the power to control himself, but that he simply didnít care to. The final verdict on manners is given by the champions themselves: Kasparov may be ungenerous in print, but even Alekhine, despite the plastic surgery he sometimes performed on his own games, was rarely unfair in print even to opponents he detested, and we may regard the occasions to the contrary not as acceptably Nietzschean Homo superioritism, but as simple lapses from mores he did believe in and tried to express. GMs, even top-flight GMs, can be sharp, dismissive, even nasty in annotations, but they back it up with variations and analysis that they expect to stand up against universal scrutiny and criticism; those who emit comments in passing after a game, in public but not in writing, are, like non-GMs and non-chessplayers who do this, unmannerly. The colloquial expression for an unmannerly person is ďjerkĒ.
|May-21-13|| ||offramp: Kortschnoi was actually complaining about the ridiculous prolixity of some Kibitzers.|
|May-21-13|| ||Check It Out: Prolixity: nice word, offramp.
As Shams pointed out there are plenty of examples of Korchnoi's boorish behavior. Admiring his chess is one thing, admiring the man is another.
|May-22-13|| ||Once: And I think what Irina was actually complaining about was unnecessarily critical kibitzing.|
|May-22-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <offramp: Kortschnoi was actually complaining about the ridiculous prolixity of some Kibitzers.>|
Was this necessary?
|May-22-13|| ||Nick46: PS: "Korchnoi's Complaint" = excessive Wrath (for whatever reason)|
|May-22-13|| ||tivrfoa: <RookFile: Alekhine said to examine all captures and checks. Obviously, you don't play them all, but they help find solutions like this.> Nice tip RookFile. Thanks for sharing.|
|May-22-13|| ||RookFile: Thanks. It applies to both sides. Let's say we looked at the Candidate move 27....Rxd2. Kind of logical, remove the guard of e4 and all. But, you examine all captures and checks for white now, and you spot 28. Qf8 mate. So, we avoid making a bad move.|
|Oct-19-14|| ||Ke2: 27. Rf8+! Rxf8 28. Bd5 wins.|
|Oct-19-14|| ||Ke2: < "People are afraid to face how great a part of life is dependent of Luck". If somebody could shot the moment when Korchnoi touched the rook from f4, and this rook bouncing a split of second was hanging in the thick air, he would see deeply into life.
With a little Luck it goes forward (Rf8) and you win, or maybe it doesn't and you lose (Rf2).>|
|Jan-21-15|| ||FSR: Korchnoi's Complaint.|
|Oct-12-15|| ||The Kings Domain: Reading about the story of this match I can't help but laugh at Korchnoi. I don't know what's funnier, his behavior or his lousy game. I'm glad Krush "crushed" him. :-)|
|Jul-27-16|| ||Abdel Irada: ∞
Apropos of Korchnoi's behavior in this game, I knew a doctor in Santa Cruz (now deceased) who used to say, "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."
My response? "Show me a bad loser, and I'll show you a loser who can't handle losing."
It's not your opponent's fault if you make bad moves and lose, even from an objectively won position. It's your own fault for making bad moves. Remember this and learn from it; getting angry with your opponent can only slow this necessary process, not to mention earning you a reputation as a jerk.
Self-discipline, too, is part of greatness.
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