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Veselin Topalov vs Peter Svidler
Morelia-Linares (2007), Morelia MEX, rd 4, Feb-21
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. King's Indian Formation (A15)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Feb-21-07  suenteus po 147: Drawpalov continues. When will someone do something about these GM draws and the GMs (Drawpalov) who draw them?!
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  WannaBe: <suenteus po 147> I personally don't count/think this game as a GM draw.

They went well beyond theory and may have ended in a position that's 'theoretical' draw, so be it.

But at least it's not one of those still in theory 'draw'.

Feb-21-07  suenteus po 147: And so it was that <suenteus po 147>'s keen brand of comedy failed. Melancholy seeped in, slowly, slowly, washing away all hope and light....
Feb-21-07  crwynn: " Drawpalov continues. When will someone do something about these GM draws and the GMs (Drawpalov) who draw them?!"

You must be referring to The Football, yes? At least that is what Google (English->Russian BETA) does to his surname...I like it; it conveys his sporting, combative nature and the fact that he gets kicked around by Kramnik ;)

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  WannaBe: <suenteus po 147> Ooooops, missed the humour... =(
Feb-21-07  chessmoron: What happened? No Danailov, Topalov plays like this. Sheesh.
Feb-21-07  csmath: Pathetic performance. Topalov gets favorable opening then plays totally stereotypical chess without any originality and once he loses all the advantage then he forces draw. To add insult to injury he was the one that proposed the draw. After he lost a bulk of his fans with disgrace of Elista, he intends to lose the rest of them by playing like this?

Feb-22-07  grebenarov: Well it's been a lot of trouble for Topalov lately. I'm sure pretty soon we will see his usual, aggressive style again. Topalov will just not stand the draws. Not his nature
Feb-22-07  alicefujimori: I don't know why everyone is complaining here. Just because Topalov proposed the draw that it makes his performance in this game pathetic? I don't agree that Topalov was favourable after the opening phase here. He tried to improve on Gelfand vs Svidler, 2006 with 15.Rd1, probably thinking that the control of the d-file will offer him better chances than Gelfand's play in that game. But then Svidler managed to generate enough counterplay on the queenside to neutralize counterbalance Topalov's control of the d-file.

15...Qa5! - prevents Topalov from playing a future a4 like in Gelfand vs Svidler, 2006

18.a3 - aiming to move the queen and then play b4 fixing the queenside pawns. After that a future a4 will be in the air.

19...b4! - a very active move by Svidler and one which Topalov probably missed. The point is that black now has counterplay on the half opened b-file for his queen and rooks. Furthermore, after the upcoming exchanges it will not be easy for white to play b4.

21.Rd6 - provoking Svidler to play 21..Bxg2 when 22.Bxa6! followed by Qxg2 will give white 2 connected passed pawns on the queenside.

22...Ra7! - aiming to exchange a pair of rooks neutralizing white's control of the d-file.

27...Rb8 - the last strong move forcing white to exchange the last pair of rooks totally neutralizing white's control of the d-file.

So it was quite good play from both sides, particularly Svidler's original way of generating counterplay down the b-file and the way he neutralized Topalov's control of the d-file. A draw was most certainly a logical outcome of this game.

Feb-22-07  Confuse: <alicefujimori> you cannot convince most people to believe that draws are a good thing, or that games without a decisive result are well fought. Its just human nature. people want blood! the colosseum! rawr!! meow.
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  Honza Cervenka: If 29...Qxb8 30.Bxa6, then simply 30...Qa7 wins the Pawn back.
Feb-22-07  outplayer: What does <Honza Cervenka> mean?
Feb-22-07  stanleys: <alicefujimori>
Thanks for showing us the game between Gelfand and Svidler and for the comments.

But I think the Gelfand's plan is more logical(especially the way he places the rooks): one takes control on the d-file,the other supports a2-a4

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  Honza Cervenka: <What does <Honza Cervenka> mean?> It's my name.
Feb-22-07  csmath: AliceF, there are a number of places in this game where Topalov could look for more complex game, starting with rook exchange. He apparently wasn't interested in that.

He did the same in another pathetic game he played here, with Leko.

I cannot recognize him. This is not Topalov we used to see . Is this just a temporary funk or something worse (perhaps cheating indeed?) I don't know. However if Topalov continues this way, he will lose his rating fast.

So far three games with whites, all three uneventful draws, one game with black and here he got pulverized by opponent playing original chess. Topalov not only bludered but also played totally impotent chess.

That is what I called rather pathetic.

Feb-22-07  csmath: If you look for a person that played the worst chess in Morelia so far, that would be Topalov. Yes, Moro's result is pathetic, but Moro at least had two game playing decent until time control. Topalov is just simply playing crappy.
Feb-22-07  alicefujimori: <stanleys>I agree that Gelfand in that game had set more trouble for Svidler than Topalov did in this game, but judging from Svidler's willingness to repeat this very line against Topalov, I think it is reasonable to assume that Svidler has an improvement in mind. Therefore, it's not really wrong for Topalov to try another variation, but it just turned out that the control of the d-file did not appear as abd as it seems and combined with Svidler's active play, there was simply not enough for Topalov to play for a win.

<csmath><AliceF, there are a number of places in this game where Topalov could look for more complex game, starting with rook exchange. He apparently wasn't interested in that.>Instead of ranting about what he could have done "generally", why not tell us where Topalov could have looked for a complex game more "specifically"? Generalising without concrete variations in this case is merely talking crap and nothing more.

Feb-22-07  mckmck: Topa and Danailov are devising new ways for improving ......
Feb-22-07  dramas79: Aw guys, you are harsh on Topa. Give him a break. For the first time, there is no Danilov or controversy, let him enjoy for the first half and return as usual in the second.
Feb-22-07  csmath: <Generalising without concrete variations in this case is merely talking crap and nothing more.>

? I don't write analysis here, sorry. The last thing I need is to get in discussions like this. Topalov opted for rook exchanges. He could have played for connected pawns on the queen side and had serious confrontation. You find out how, apparently you have enough time and nothing else to do but contentious debating here.

Topalov played this game without his usual courage and without any imagination. Anything he has done in the middlegame could have been played by a 2500 player. That is rather lousy.

Feb-22-07  stanleys: <csmath:>I'll repeat Alice's question: Could you be more specific please?

Perhaps Topalov could have tried 25.B:a6!? (or I am totally wrong?)

Feb-23-07  alicefujimori: <stanleys>25.Bxa6 then simply 25...Nxc5 and white will have a difficult time defending that weak b2 square.

<csmath><The last thing I need is to get in discussions like this.>If the last thing you do in a chess site like is to have an objective analysis about a chess game, then one wonders what you really do here in in the first place.

Feb-23-07  sucaba: <alicefujimori>:<21.Rd6 - provoking Svidler to play 21..Bxg2 when 22.Bxa6! followed by Qxg2 will give white 2 connected passed pawns on the queenside.> It seems that after 21. _ ♗xg2 22. ♗xa6 ♘xa6 23. ♕xg2 ♕xg2+ 24. ♔xg2 ♘xb4 , followed by ♖f8-c8 next, White has a problem to control Black's active pieces and defend the b- and c-♙s.

<stanleys>:<Perhaps Topalov could have tried 25.B:a6!? (or I am totally wrong?)> I don't think that you are totally wrong, since 24. ♗xa6 may give White a practical chance, for example 24. _ ♖xd6 25. ♖xd6 e5 26. ♗f1 exf4 27. ♘a2 ♕xb2 28. ♕xb2 ♗xb2 29. ♗xf4 ♗a3 30. ♗e3 ♖e8 29. ♗f2 with a free c-♙. Next White could play ♖d6-d3, and if ♗a3-b2, then ♘a2-b4xc6. But I believe Black can still defend this position.

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