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Reginald Graham Thimann vs Odd Lie
"Ballad of a Thimann" (game of the day Apr-19-2007)
olm8 fin B6 corr (1977) (correspondence), ICCF
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Breyer Defense Zaitsev Hybrid (C95)  ·  1-0



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Apr-19-07  Infin1ty: There's a chance for black until he played the "more than dubious" 26...f5? I think a question mark is justified for that one. Something to attempt to simplify like Qd8 was in my opinion more justified.

Where 25.Re3 is obviously the rook lift, I don't think 35. Re5 can be considered one ;) It's a good move that looks good too. However, I do consider Bh6 to be the last act of a desperate man. It's a pretty cheap "trick" if you ask me and white countered it elegantly, as you would expect in correspondence.

Apr-19-07  woodpusher24: ballad of a thin man- BoB Dylan. "You walk into the room, It's a chess club and you frown. You put your pawns in your pockets and through you king on the ground. There ought to be a law aginst me chessing around, I Shouldn't play chess It's well known.
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  Sneaky: Somebody on the CG staff is a big Dylan fan. There must be another dozen Bob Dylan puns that they've used.
Apr-19-07  Achilles87: Is there not anything better than 32.. Bxd7?

I feel like black taking the bait "just because he could" was exactly what white would have wanted.

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  whiteshark: <<Infin1ty>: There's a chance for black until he played the "more than dubious" 26...f5? I think a question mark is justified for that one.> Yes, I agree. I'm not sure if 26... Qa2/h6/Rd8 could save the day.

21...Nd7 or Re6 should be considered.
22... Re6 is a last move to avoid a bad pawnstructure .

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  whiteshark: <<Achilles87: Is there not anything better than 32.. Bxd7?>: Not really:

- 32... Rd8 33. Qg4 Lh6 34. Nb6
- 32... Rg8 33. cxb5 Bxd7 34. Bxg8 Rxg8 35. Rxd7 Qb1+ 36. Kh2 Qxf5 37. Rgxg7

Apr-19-07  Jim Bartle: Something is happening and you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Lie?
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  whiteshark: I don't understand 16... Qb8.
You can play 16... c5 directly.
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  kevin86: Just look at the final position! White's pieces are focused on the northeast corner of the board where black's king is located. Black's pieces are totally haphazardly played. The lone queen threatens nothing while the other pieces are huddled to defend the king-but are rendered unmovable by the pressure of white's attack.

The play of this game is clearly shown in the final position as is the result.

Apr-19-07  Bince82: I had considered

37. Qxf6 since ...Bxf6 leads to 38. Rxh7#

Unfortunately, this leaves the f4 square unguarded and allows 37...Qf4+ and black either draws with infinite checks or white must respond with Rd1 to block check and black wins... unless there's a way to make this work for white and I missed it.

Apr-19-07  Chess Classics: Best pun so far this year!

Great attack by white as well.


Apr-19-07  Jack Kerouac: 'You walk into the room
with your bishop in your hand;
You see someone mating,
and you say,'who is that man'?
You try so hard,
but you just don't understand;
What you will play the next round.
'Cause you KNOW that it's a gambit
that you just don't understand;
Do you, Mr.Jones?
Apr-19-07  Chess Classics: You've been with all the masters
they've all liked your looks
with great players you've discussed
bishops and rooks
you've been through all of
Jeremy Silman's books
You're very well read it's well known


Apr-19-07  Chessmensch: All through the game white had it all together while black was just moving pieces. kevin86 says it also, using other words. To use still other words, black's distribution of the pieces on the board is an "odd lie" (as in golf, not a falsehood).
Apr-19-07  Jack Kerouac: Good one, Calvin.

'There ought to be a law
against you comin'around,
You should be made to play
'Cause you KNOW your rook is hanging
And you just don't seem to care;
DO YOU,Mr.Jones?

Apr-19-07  mack: Come on then <chessgames>, who's the massive Bobcat in the team? I think that's the fourth Dylan related GOTD pun I can think of. I'm still looking forward to:

'From A Beck 6' Beck vs A Schussler, 1988

'Love Henry'
C J Smith vs H Buckle, 1849

'Open the Door, Homer'
J Stapfer vs Marshall, 1913

'Tiny Montgomery'
Keene vs Montgomery, 1969

'Visions of Johanna'
E Hintikka vs J Tella, 1996

and of course, 'The Mighty Quinn'
M Quinn vs R Mycroft, 2004

Apr-19-07  woodpusher24: kerouac, that was pretty funny. but i wrote a 6 in the am
Apr-19-07  Billy Ray Valentine: The first 19 moves of this game are identical to the 10th game of the 1972 Fischer-Spassky match...
Apr-19-07  Chess Classics: <Kerouac> Thanks =) BOATM used to be one of my favorite Dylan songs.


Apr-19-07  zb2cr: No, <Bince82>, you are right. As tempting as 37. Qxf6 looks, it allows 37. ... Qf4+; 38. Kg1, Qc1+. Now White has only 39. Bd1 as a winning try. But Black can still get White's Queen with 39. ... Qxd1+; 40. Rxd1, Bxf6. Now White's down by 2P vs. a B. Black can develop a passed Pawn on the Queenside, as well. Looks lost for White to me.
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  kevin86: Someone mentioned golf-how about calling the final position "an unplayable lie"
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  fm avari viraf: I was about to post my analysis but suddenly I saw < Bince82 > 37.Qxf6 Qf4+ 38.Kg1 Qc1+ & now instead of 39.Rd1 Bd1 & still Black can grab the Bishop with check & will be a piece up.
Apr-16-09  WhiteRook48: how dumb
Apr-22-09  aazqua: Black's play in the second half of this game is just abysmal. 35 Re3 is a nice looking move but it's only possible because white is already so dominant.
Aug-29-10  Lil Swine: a queen sacrifice on f6 would be the breaking point
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