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Oscar Chajes vs Marvin C Palmer
9th American Chess Congress (1923), Lake Hopatcong, NJ USA, rd 5, Aug-11
Semi-Slav Defense: Chigorin Defense (D46)  ·  1-0



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  Phony Benoni: <Why Chess Historians Go Gray>

There is a little snafu in the sources after <11...Be5>

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This game was published by the New York Times and the Brooklyn Daily Eagle on August 13, 1923. I know the BDE account was by Hermann Helms, and I believe the NYT version was as well.

At this point, the Times gives White's next two moves as 12.f4 and 13.f4. The Eagle also repeats White's moves -- but with 12.b3 and 13.b3!

Fortunately, it's obvious that 12.f4 and 13.b3 is the correct move order. But this illustrates why there are more chess players than historians. It's less frustrating.

Jan-18-18  zanzibar: <CB> agrees with you. <NIC>, maybe deciding discretion is the better part of valor, omits the game.
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  Phony Benoni: <zanzibar> Well, this one is pretty obvious. But perhaps I should explain why I'm going through these games again.

Back in the 1980s, <Resignation Trap> became interested in Abraham Kupchik, and as a result this tournament in which he tied for first with Marshall. At the time, my library had a complete run o the New York Times on microfilm, so I went through all the reports and copied out by hand all the games I could find.

In the fullness of time I computerized the handwritten transcription, and eventually they wound up here. But I never gave the games a chose recheck until now.

About a half-dozen or so errors popped up, which frankly was fewer than I expected.

Jan-19-18  zanzibar: OK, this is detailed, but since we both play a similar game... < ... New York Times on microfilm, so I went through all the reports and copied out by hand all the games I could find.>

Copied them out by hand?! Wow, that's, er, determination.

I see that it was from the 1980's - so back in the days of stone tablets, and Xerox machines the size of kitchen frigs.

<In the fullness of time I computerized the handwritten transcription, ... about a half-dozen or so errors popped up, which frankly was fewer than I expected.>

Again, out of curiosity, exactly what errors?

E.g. an error in the original NYT transcription, where the game is internally inconsistent, like here.

Or errors in your hand copying?

Date entry?

Or <CG> altering the moves somehow?

All of the above?

And finally, are you playing over the games one-by-one, or are you running a twin-check of <CG> vs. your DB?


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  Phony Benoni: "Determination" is a very kind word.

The errors are of various types, both my transcriptions and in the original. I'm using three sources for these games: daily reports int he Brooklyn Daily Egale and New York TImes, and several pages games spread over several issues of the American Chess Bulletin..

And, yes, I am replaying each game every time I find it in a different source. Each have their errors, and I don't like taking game scores for granted. That's the main reason I work so slowly.

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