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Magnus Carlsen vs Levon Aronian
"MC Hammered" (game of the day Jul-05-2018)
World Championship Candidates (2007), Elista RUS, rd 1, May-27
Spanish Game: Closed. Martinez Variation (C78)  ·  0-1



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May-29-07  TheGladiator: <notyetagm: IM Pein seems to agree with [Hot Logic]. His comments below.>

What I reacted to, was the phrase "throughout the entire game" - while my point was that this feature was relevant for about 4 moves, after which the position was dead lost for white. 20 d5? (?!) gave Aronian this advantage after a forced sequence of moves. I do indeed agree that Aronian had those pluses for those vital moves. See what I wrote:

<"Throughout the entire game"? Magnus handed over the advantage with 20 d5?! [...]

After 20 d5 there followed a sequence of 4-5 forced moves, then we saw Rf3!? and Magnus made the final blunder with 27 Ra3?. After that move, any 2600+ GM in the world would be able to convert as black, no matter the opposition.>

If 3-4 moves in the middle game are "the entire game", then fine, but it isn't, and so <Hot Logic>'s comment is a grave inaccuracy, overemphasizing Aronian's part in the events that took place. At the point which Magnus should've realized that he had nothing and therefore should've opted for a draw, he came up with 20 d5? which gave him the worse position. Not a very wise choice, IMO. And as an evaluation of the POSITION (not of the entire game) arising after the exchanges following d5, Pein's evaluation applies, and of course I agree.

<<TheGladiator: ... Maybe because your points usually are relevant for players below FIDE 1800 or something. :)>

That would include me.>

Which is perfectly fine :) It still <anoymetgt> :P

May-29-07  Chessmensch: Pein has a somewhat different commentary (than that noted by notyetagm) in his Telegraph Chess Column on May 29.
May-29-07  slomarko: <TheGladiator> for you 90% Carlsen's losses is coz he "didnt want a draw" and played some bad move coz he went for more. comical.
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  Maxim Dlugy: This line doesn't really seem to offer White much. Can White really be better after 14...fe6? A very nice win by Aronian.
May-31-07  Hot Logic: TheGladiator:

You are free to disagree with my opinions but please be reasonable in your interpretations. When I say "throughout the entire game" I obviously do not mean the position after: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7

I said Carlsen's opening looked like Yahoo blitz because he avoided the main lines where White keeps the initiative. Aronian then gives him a 'lesson' by using classical themes.

Anyway Aronian played for classical advantages throughout the entire game with moves like 13.Be6 (a simple move with great results - I'm always happy if I can play a move like this :) ). I watched the game live and could see move by move Aronian winning by accumulating small advantages here and there. I also said Aronian uses his advantages well - if he gives anything up he insisted on gaining something else for it, all the while improving his position (note battery on f-file, refer back to 13...Be6). You can be your own judge whether Aronian GOT the advantages he played for, just take a look at the board.

The truth is that I'm not a particularly strong player and probably enjoyed the game because black's ideas are so clearly visible. I still stand by every word I wrote.

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  Mateo: <Ulhumbrus> <the pawn sacrifice 26 f4! might have saved White.> How? After 26...Bxf4 27.Nxf4 Rxf4, Black seems to have very good prospects. Black won a pawn, but he has some problems with his d6 pawn. However, Black threatens to invade the 7th rank and his queen side majority could become dangerous.

For instance, 28.Qd5+ R8f7 (protecting the Queen, if e5) 29.Rad1 Qa7+ (it could be useful to put the King in the corner if some Queen trade occurs) 30.Kh2 Qb7.

Jan-27-14  nummerzwei: If White tries 13.c3 (Barsky) intending after

13...Nc6 14.Ng3 Be6 to keep the bishop with 15.Bc2!?, then Black can rain on his parade with

13...Nxd3! 14.QxNd3 c4 15.Bxc4 bxBc4 16.Qxc4 Be6 17.Qd3 Qc7 and excellent compensation for the sacrificed pawn.

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  HeMateMe: Hey max dlugy
Used to post here? Used to be more celebs here.
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  tpstar: <Used to be more celebs here>

A: They were driven away by repeat offenders.

There was some controversy over the editing and content of his player page biography = Maxim Dlugy (kibitz #87)

Jul-05-18  Sonia lamba: That's like magnus is a bookish insect in opening something quiet similar to kram beating aro in Candi !! ...May be aronian was responsible for this generation of moves Rb8 !! And kram did Rg8 !! ..Wow this is it !!!
Jul-05-18  The Kings Domain: The younger days. Nice to see Aronian bringing out his inner Anderssen here.
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  ChessHigherCat: I think 25. Ne2 was too passive and my big brother SF he agree wit me! Better was 25. Nf5, but black still has a slight advantage:

1) -0.46 (32 ply) 25.Nf5 d5 26.f4 Bc7 27.g4 dxe4 28.Qxd7 Rxd7 29.Rxe4 Bd8 30.Re2 b4 31.Rc1 Rc8 32.Rec2 g6 33.Rxc4 Rxc4 34.Nxh6+ Kg7

Jul-05-18  JPi: Carlsen was 16 years old at time isn't it? Great to play at this age a world candidates. Only Fischer comes in mind for such young performance.
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  ChessHigherCat: I don't get the pun. It would make sense if he lost to his friend Jon Hammer.
Jul-05-18  cormier: Stockfish 8 (minimum 30s/ply) 9. ab5 <9.Re1 was played in Grischuk vs Sutovsky, 2006 (1-0)> 9... ab5 10. Nc3 <10.Nbd2 was played in Carlsen vs Topalov, 2010 (1-0)> 10... O-O 11. h3 Nb4 12. Ne2 c5 13. Ng3 Be6 <better is 13...Qc7 14.Bd2 Nc6 15.Ba2 b4 16.Re1 Be6 17.Bxe6 fxe6 = 0.00 (34 ply)>
Jul-05-18  RookFile: What a great pun. The pun of the year, I think. You can't touch it.
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  ChessHigherCat: Okay, you made curious to see what fantastic witticism I was missing so I looked it up in Urban Dictionary:

MC hammered
Extremely drunk

I don't see how it fits at all. As I said, it would be okay for a game in which Carlsen lost to Jon Hammer if you can dig one up.

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  ChessHigherCat: I also found this, which is more interesting but doesn't fit the game, either:

<Urban Dictionary: E = MC Hammered 1) The theory that when you get drunk and do something, you won't remember it when you're sober, but when you get hammered again you will remember ...>

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  tpstar: <I don't get the pun>

Jul-05-18  newzild: <ChessHigherCat>

MC Hammer is a musician who released a song called "U Can't Touch This", which is alluded to by <RookFile> below.

MC is also Magnus Carlsen's initials. MC got "hammered" in the sense that he was badly beaten.

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  OhioChessFan: Okay pun, not great, a bit obvious.
Jul-05-18  rogge: Kind of heard it before, but OK.
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  ChessHigherCat: <newzild> I understood MC and hammered, of course, and I saw the video on Google when I looked it up, but as to being the pun of the year or even remotely funny...
Jul-28-18  newzild: <ChessHigherCat>

Earlier, you said "I don't understand the pun."

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  ChessHigherCat: <newzild> Well to me, contrary to everybody else apparently, I don't think it's enough to relate the players' names to a well-known American pop culture symbol. If MC had been beaten by Jon Hammer, then there would be enough multiple meanings to make me laugh, but since that JCHammer clip has absolutely nothing to do with the game it's just another stupid combination of a player's name + random US pop symbol that doesn't really say anything about the game (except that Carlsen lost, which is about as tangential as you can get), it doesn't strike me as funny. It's not a question of being snobbish, it just doesn't make laugh.
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