chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Michael Adams vs Alexey Shirov
World Championship Candidates (2007) (rapid), Elista RUS, rd 1, Jun-03
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Giuoco Pianissimo (C53)  ·  0-1

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Get this game explained with Decode Chess
explore this opening
find similar games 49 more Adams/Shirov games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

A COMPUTER ANNOTATED SCORE OF THIS GAME IS AVAILABLE.  [CLICK HERE]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Jun-04-07  Softpaw: <PinkPanther: Adams should just retire.>

Maybe he ENJOYS playing, tournaments, travel...

Jun-04-07  PinkPanther: I can't see why he would enjoy playing. Constant mediocrity (or worse) at the level he is on can't be fun. I mean, part of the enjoyment of playing chess comes from winning tournaments and making progress, and he hasn't done either of those things in the time I've been watching him. Half of the big tournaments these days are held in piss ant (for lack of a better word) places anyway, to be quite frank with you, so I don't know how much chess travel can possibly be enjoyed either. I mean Christ, even when Adams plays in tournaments that are a level or two below the ones he is accustomed to, he can't win. The tournament he played in England a few months ago comes to mind, and the Gibraltar Open. It's just miserable.
Jun-04-07  Softpaw: <PinkPanther: I can't see why he would enjoy playing. >

That's your problem, not his.

Jun-04-07  PinkPanther: It's not my problem, at all. In fact, judging from some of the other posters' opinions and posts, I'm beginning to believe many Adams supporters are seeing things the way that I am.
Jun-04-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: Who's had the better results career wise, Adams or Short? Who is the more talented of the two? If people say Adams, why hasn't he been more succesful?
Jun-05-07  Brown: Besides Short's breif run at Kasparov, Adams has been more successful, has he not?
Jun-05-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  JointheArmy: When's the last time Adams won anything? Dos Hermanas 10 years ago?
Jun-05-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: That was in 1999. So he has not won another tourney since? If true, that's incredibly bad, given his talent.
Jun-05-07  PinkPanther: <chancho>
Where is this Adams vs. Short comparison coming from? If you, as a super GM, have to compare yourself to Nigel Short to make yourself look good, then you're in sad shape. Nigel Short has only ever been 2700 once, and that was only for a brief period of time a few years ago. I'll concede the fact that Adams is better than Short, objectively speaking, but I don't really know what value that has or whose argument that could really support.
Jun-05-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <PinkPanther> I was curious to see who the kibitzers considered the better player results wise between those two. To me, Adams is a very talented player, and in spite of that great talent his results have not been as good as they should be. This guy should be right there seriously competing and winning some of those elite events imo.
Jun-05-07  PinkPanther: Should be, yes. I don't dispute that, my whole point is that the talent he has is being minimized and/or wasted by his mindset and untimely mistakes. If Bareev, Naiditsch, and Bologan can win Super GM tournaments, there is no reason at all why Adams can't. And yet, here we find ourselves.....
Jun-06-07  Softpaw: <PinkPanther: If Bareev, Naiditsch, and Bologan can win Super GM tournaments, there is no reason at all why Adams can't. >

Well, there's one more good reason for you-- why he shouldn't retire.

Jun-06-07  PinkPanther: The point is that he won't. And with the way he has been playing lately, I wouldn't even expect him to get many invitations to top tournaments.
Jun-06-07  Softpaw: <PinkPanther: The point is that he won't. And with the way he has been playing lately, I wouldn't even expect him to get many invitations to top tournaments..>

So what's the problem then?

He'll keep playing as longs as he enjoys it. Get over it.

Jun-06-07  PinkPanther: You're completely missing the point of my argument.
Jun-06-07  Softpaw: Your missing my points, apparently.

<PinkPanther: Adams should just retire.>

Why?

He has the capacity to do welln(and it up to him to work on his defects), as you point out:

<PinkPanther: If Bareev, Naiditsch, and Bologan can win Super GM tournaments, there is no reason at all why Adams can't. >

And, secondly, even if he doesn't succeed to the utmost-- so what? He may STILL enjoy playing, travelling, etc. (even if YOU would not).

Jun-06-07  PinkPanther: Having the capacity to do well and doing well are two completely different things. I also really doubt he enjoys playing. It should be obvious from his results, but if you look at his demeanor, you can tell he's out of it most of the time. It's like he's just dragging his suitcase around to take a chance at doing well (which is all he has, these days) and to pick up a paycheck. He has no drive left. It's as simple as that.
Jun-06-07  Softpaw: <PinkPanther: He has no drive left. It's as simple as that.>

In your mind, apparently.

Whatever.

Jun-06-07  PinkPanther: What evidence do you have that would show any different? If I'm not mistaken, didn't he play 3.Bc4 in the second rapid game against Shirov? If that doesn't say "whatever the @#$%" I don't know what does. Hell, Adams has had fairly miserable results with the Petrov of late and for some reason he sees fit to use that as his drawing weapon of choice in the last game against Shirov?! His attitude is bleeding over into his decision making and it's just really, really obvious.
Jun-09-07  Brown: Adams for some time was middle to high in the pack in many tournaments, but that pack was the top 10. Short may have won some tournaments, but did he ever play the same high level of competition? His match victory over an aging Karpov on his way to the WC match must be the highlight of his career.

The Short-Adams comparison, I thought, came from them hailing from England. They are clearly the best two from the isle in the recent times.

Jun-09-07  PinkPanther: Objectively speaking, in terms of overall chess strength, tournament in and tournament out, Adams is and has been the stronger player. A lot of the matches and things Short has accomplished have been a result of him being in the right place at the right time.
Jun-11-07  Brown: <PinkPanther> You have been following Adams closely, and I think I remember you being a big fan of his. You must be dissappointed by his play. When do you think he started losing focus? Is this Hydra's doing, or did Hydra simply expose him in general as a less than diligent and professional player? Or some third, fourth or fifth reason for his decline over the past two years?
Jun-16-07  PinkPanther: It has nothing to do with Hydra. He didn't even halfway try against Hydra. In reality, if he had properly prepared for that match and had played with the right strategy in the games, that match should have probably been 4-2 or 3.5-2.5. He was playing bad openings, and was opening up positions trying to play for wins (presumably) when doing so against a computer was just foolish. It's not like the computer crushed Adams; the computer simply beat Adams. Adams' strategy is what got him crushed. So to answer your question...I just think he's come to realization that he won't win anything big. He's not getting any younger and I think it has started to wear on his motivation. With every passing year and tournament his chances of winning dwindle......it's really a problem that is building on itself, but his psychological problems and lack of faith in himself and his own abilities are really neutralizing his talent. Honestly speaking, I think Adams is one of the greatest natural talents in the game. There is no reason he shouldn't have had more success than he has. He is one of very few players in the game today at the highest level that isn't the product of some chess school that specializes in mass producing strong chess players.
Nov-20-07  Cibator: Seems to me that Adams is following a similar pattern to Tony Miles 20 years ago, "just playing the little wooden things". Too much time spent pissing his energies away at UK week-enders, and not enough on serious preparation or training for the events that really matter. And then suddenly he takes a devastating king-hit (in Miles' case the 0.5 - 5.5 hammering by Kasparov) and is never quite the same again. Naturally as an expat Brit I hope Adams will recover and compete seriously again at the highest levels, but he has to understand that you can't do it all on talent these days (and for that matter nor could even Capablanca after about 1930). The Staunton Memorial result is meaningless, in my view - just a very long week-ender. If Adams wants to continue "in the fast lane" then he needs to find a top-notch trainer PDQ, of whatever nationality (and if necessary a sponsor to pay for him), and get down to some serious study and practice.
Oct-22-11  kluto: 45.Kd2?? and gone.
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
  8. Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: RAPID. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
52 - Rc4-a4+! 53 Ka3xRa4 drags White king to a4, 53 - Qc3-b4#
from Decoys: CHESS IS NOT JUST COUNTING by notyetagm
Grega's black repoertoire
by Grega
Rapids--Game 2: June 3rd, 2007
from [Candidate Matches 2007]---Adams-Shirov by chessmoron
Match Adams!
by amadeus
Match Shirov!
by amadeus
Grega's Black Repertoire Compiled by Grega
by fredthebear
52 - Rc4-a4+! 53 Ka3xRa4 drags White king to a4, 53 - Qc3-b4#
from TACTICS. DECOY by trh6upsz
Match Adams!
by docjan
Match Shirov!
by docjan

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC