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Emanuel Rubinstein vs Paul Mross
"E Rubinstein Gathers No Mross" (game of the day Aug-19-2020)
Cracow v Silesia match (1932), Cracow, Poland, Jun-08
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. King's Knight Variation (A15)  ·  1-0



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  MissScarlett: <E Rubinstein Gathers No Mross>
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  al wazir: Okay, what happens after 20. Qxb8 ?

If 20..Qb3+ 21. Kh1, the white ♕ is trapped. But can it be taken?

If 21...Ne7, then 22. Nd5 or simply 22. Qxf8+, with ♖+♖ vs. ♕+♙.

Aug-19-20  Brenin: I think 20 Qxb8 is possible, and winning, e.g. 20 ... Qb6+ 21 Kh1 Bd7 22 Nd5, and if Qc6 (other Black Q moves free the White Q) then 23 Nxe7+ and 24 Nxc6. Other Black responses, such as 20 ... Nxf4, seem to offer little compensation for the R, and to allow the White Q back into the game via a7.
Aug-19-20  Brenin: This Rubinstein was not up to the standard of his famous namesake. In addition to not playing 20 Qxb8, he moved the wrong rook with 23 Rdd1, when Rfd1 would have greatly increased the pressure on Black (23 ... Bc6 24 Rxc6 Ra8 25 Rxe6), and 34 Qe3+ would have won a piece, e.g. 34 ... Ng5 35 hxg5+ Qxg5 36 Rxh7+.

Black's 42 ... Nf5 was a horrible blunder, losing a piece, whereas 42 ... Rf1 would have given White some work to do.

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  morfishine: I'm still waiting for the entertainment. Are there Can Can girls? A mariachi band? Perhaps a comedian?
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  jith1207: <Brenin>:if 34. Qe3+

g5 35. cxd5 Nf8 36. hxg5+ Kg6 37. Qf4

Game is lost anyway.

Or if black wants to try some repeated checks to look for a perpetual, 34. Qe3+ g5 35. cxd5 Nf4 and resident stockfish gives

+10.25 (20 ply) 36.hxg5+ Qxg5 37.Qxe8 Qxg3+ 38.Kf1 Qg2+ 39.Ke1 Qg1+ 40.Bf1 Qg3+ 41.Kd1 Qf3+ 42.Kc2 Qf2+ 43.Kb3 Qb6+ 44.Kc4 Qd6 45.Qf8+ Qxf8 46.Rxf8

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  jith1207: <morf>: Entertainment is for the Punster.
Aug-19-20  Brenin: Thanks, <jith1207>! If 34 Qe3+ g5 35 cxd5 Nf4 then White can avoid the risk of perpetual checks with 36 Bd3, threatening 37 Rxh7 mate, e.g. 36 ... Nxd3 37 Qxd3 Rh8 38 Qf5, threatening mate by 39 Rf6+ Kg7 40 Qxg5. After a spite check Qb6+ Kh1, Black can avoid immediate mate only by giving up his Q.
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  morfishine: <jith1207> Sounds like a punspiracy!
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  moronovich: It is no coinsidence it is called a punishment .
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  offramp: <Cracow v Silesia> is a category mistake.
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  morfishine: <offramp> What is the error?
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  PawnSac: < al wazir: Okay, what happens after 20. Qxb8 ? If 20..Qb3+ 21. Kh1, the white ♕ is trapped. But can it be taken?

If 21...Ne7, then 22. Nd5 or simply 22. Qxf8+, with ♖+♖ vs. ♕+♙. >

20. Qxb8 was the best move. I mean, after all, white is up a ROOK to a couple pawns, and black does not have sufficient compensation for the material.

Trying to trap the Q with 20...Qb6+ doesn't work. After 21. Kh1 black has two main candidate moves; ..Bd7 or ..Nxf4, but white can answer 22.Nd5! to either.

On ..Bd7 22. Nd5 Rxb8 23.Nxb6 black is far from proving anything. The Q trade just brings him closer to a lost ending, and if instead he tries something like ..Bd7 22.Nd5 Qxb2 white charges in with 23. Nxe7+ and 24. Qxd6 and blacks position is caving in.

After 20.Qxb8 Black's best seems to be ..Nxf4 (hoping for Nxg2 Kg2 Bh3+ with discovery on the Q), but then white simply plays 21.Qa7 with an escape route, and the bottom line seems to be.. Was the black rook worth a pawn and 2 tempi, and i would have to answer YES of course! I guarantee you Carlsen would have played Rxb8, and confident he had a won game, and assuming he had enough time on the clock, would get up and look at the other boards to see how the games were going.

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  offramp: <morfishine: <offramp> What is the error?>

Krakow is a city and Silesia is a province. I don't see how they can play a match together.

Aug-20-20  Brenin: <offramp>: According to Rubinstein's Wikipedia entry, Krakow and Silesia managed the impossible at least three times, in 1932, 1937 and 1939. Clever fellows, those Poles.
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  Diademas: A most appropriate pun given that Emanuel Rubinstein is 123 years old and still kicking according to his Bio.

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