|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 1 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| Sep-13-07 | | Squares: Take the f4 pawn Gelfand, or at least show me the continuation that made you so apprehensive. |
|
Sep-13-07
 | | WannaBe: In this game, I was wondering/looking at 11...Nxf3, and then Anand would have 2 doubled pawns... Shredder seems to agree with the analysis, giving it the top choice, while 11...Bf6 is not on its top 5 line |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | talisman: if you're planning on winning this thing, you don't take a 22 move draw w/white(against gelfand who i am now rooting for).take your shots. |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | yalie: personally I thought h5 was very premature. Anand lost the 1/2 point at 11.h5. I think Anand's prep against the Petroff is a lil wanting if all he can do is h4, h5. |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | Whack8888: 11. Nxf3 gives White an open g file--and his pawn is already to h5--it will be difficult for Black to attack White's doubled pawns, while White will have a relatively easy time attacking the dark squares around Black's King--if h6, then that pawn will be very weak, and if White plays h6 followed by Black's g6, Black will have a hard time defending his dark squares also--keep in mind that having to f pawns when Black's King side pawns are on f7, g6, and h7 is not at all a bad thing as you can send both of them to attack the vulnerable g6 square |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | Marmot PFL: This line never seemed that strong for white and this game is more confirmation that black has little to fear with accurate play. |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | Ulhumbrus: Instead of 17 Rhg1, 17 g4 launches the pawn storm at once, threatening g5 and gxh6 |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | yalie: Topalov would have played 17 g4
|
|
| Sep-13-07 | | Andrew Chapman: <Take the f4 pawn Gelfand, or at least show me the continuation that made you so apprehensive.>Is there anything wrong with 22..Rxf4? |
|
| Sep-13-07 | | orio24: <Andrew Chapman: <Take the f4 pawn Gelfand, or at least show me the continuation that made you so apprehensive.>Is there anything wrong with 22..Rxf4?> I don't know, it seems to be the best move.
Gelfand just probably preferred safe 1/2 point start. |
|
| Sep-14-07 | | kackhander: to my patzerish eyes b3 and Rg1 seemed contrary to the spirit of white's plan. i thought he'd given up the bishop pair in return for enough time to get the pawn storm rolling, then it seems he had a crisis of confidence and shuffled around a bit instead letting gelfand build up on the e-file. it's a shame because it looked like an exciting game in prospect. |
|
| Sep-14-07 | | you vs yourself: Anand says 16.b3 was a mistake.
During the game, he thought there was a draw after 22..Rxf4; but after analyzing it with Gelfand, he's not sure he could've saved the game had Gelfand taken the free pawn. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
|
|
| Sep-14-07 | | Ulhumbrus: If Anand said that 16 b3 was a mistake, it may be that he considered 16 g4 to be the right move. |
|
| Sep-14-07 | | KamikazeAttack: Anand wasn't sure if he would have been able to safe the game if Gelf had gone 22..Rxf4! Who woulda believed that Anand coulda lost with White to Gelf? Chees is so complex and anything can happen. |
|
Sep-14-07
 | | whiteshark: Quite interesting is the following comment regarding 16...Bb5: However, Black had here the stunning <16...c5!!> (suggested by Frederic Friedel on Playchess during the live broadcast) at his disposal. The idea is simple: to clear the queen's way to a5 and deprive the white bishop's access to d4. With his knight on h2 and his bishop relatively inactive and slightly hanging, White would have faced serious problems of coordination. He could get out of trouble with <17.Ng4 Be6 18.Nxf6+> (unfortunately, forced) <18...Qxf6> but this would leave his light squares desperately weak. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
|
| Sep-14-07 | | orio24: That 16...c5!! is really awesome idea.
At the end it seems, Anand was very lucky he got 1/2 at the end. Gelfand missed his first chance (taking into account also 22...♖xf4!). Let's hope it was not his last one. |
|
| Sep-14-07 | | you vs yourself: After 16.g4, chessmaster gives black a slight edge. I wonder if rbyka likes the pawn storm for white. |
|
Sep-14-07
| | whiteshark: Position after the suggested <16...c5! 17.Ng4 Be6 18.Nxf6+ Qxf6>
click for larger viewand just one variation as example....
<19. Bf2 a5 20. Qxd6 a4 21. Qe5 axb3 22. axb3 Ra1+ 23. Kb2 Ra2+> 
click for larger view<24. Kxa2 Bxb3+ 25. Kxb3 Rxe5 26. fxe5 Qxf2> 
click for larger viewand white will have some hard times to defend this .... |
|
Sep-14-07
| | whiteshark: There are, of course, many deviations from my above 'mainline', e.g. a) 19. Rde1 a5 (or Bg4 / Bf5 / Rad8 etc)...
b) 20.a4 [to stop the a5 pawn] Bg4 21. Rde1 (or 21. Bh4 Qf5) Rxe1+ 22. Bxe1 Re8 23. Bh4 Qf5 ... c) 22. Qxf6 bxa2 23. Kb2 gxf6 23. Bxc5
but I'm gonna descend now. |
|
Sep-14-07
 | | Mateo: I can't believe Gelfand did not see 22...Rxf4!. If he saw it, why didn't he played it? There was no risk at all. |
|
| Sep-14-07 | | cotdt: <Mateo: I can't believe Gelfand did not see 22...Rxf4!. If he saw it, why didn't he played it? There was no risk at all.> Both players saw it, but it seemed to go into unclear positions. But in their post-game interview, they analyzed the position to be winning for Gelfand. Too bad Gelfand did not have the guts to play it. |
|
Sep-15-07
 | | Eyal: <Instead of the final move 22..Rxe1+, Gelfand could have grabbed a pawn with 22..Rxf4. It's opposite-colored bishops, but it looks significantly better for Black. There's a reason we don't often hear "killer instinct" and "Boris Gelfand" in the same sentence.> (http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...) |
|
| Sep-15-07 | | anandrulez: Gelfie didnt risk much and prefered safe draw.Anand white repertoire loos shaky at the moment.Hope he plays better lines..... |
|
Sep-15-07
| | Eyal: <Gelfie didnt risk much and prefered safe draw> Well, in the process he missed good winning chances against Anand, which is something you don't get very often (especially with Black). That's not the way to succeed in such a tournament. |
|
| Sep-17-07 | | Resignation Trap: Gelfand always supplies us with a wide variety of facial expressions. Here he is at the start of the game: http://www.chessbase.com/news/2007/... . |
|
 |
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 1 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
