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Vladimir Kramnik vs Viswanathan Anand
World Championship Tournament (2007), Mexico City MEX, rd 10, Sep-24
Semi-Slav Defense: Anti-Moscow Gambit (D44)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Sep-25-07  Ulhumbrus: Anand's King had been in danger for a long time, and after 41 Ra8+ perhaps both players thought that they risked losing the game if they attempted to win it.
Sep-25-07  chessmoron: I don't know what is going on Kramnik's head, missing simple moves like 32.Rfd1 and 35.Qh6 to really pressure Anand. A poor effort on Kramnik but a good defense on Anand part. Van Wely should be fired. Horrible second.
Sep-25-07  cannibal: <chessmoron>
I don't know what's going on in your head to call these moves "simple" (in such a sharp position), or to imply that he actually missed them - probably Rybka.

And if those were indeed missed chances (which I doubt), how is it van Wely's fault then? Move 32 is really an OTB thing.

Sep-25-07  acirce: <Both players had deeply prepared this fashionable line of the Semi-Slav Meran. This was the fourth appearance of 6.Bh4 in this event and Anand had recently faced this exact variation personally, against Radjabov in Mainz, 2006. Kramnik played it against Gelfand in round seven, where Black played 11..h5 instead of Anand's 11..Bg7. Also worthy of note is that, like Anand, Kramnik's second van Wely faced this line through move 16 last year. The players banged out their moves even after Kramnik's new 17.b3, starting off action on the queenside where Black's king is obviously headed. They played almost without pause until move 20, when Anand's 20..Qb4 made it clear he was prepared to sacrifice the exchange on d6. Kramnik went forward and Larry Christiansen decided Black had a fine position, although he liked 22..Nc4 more. (The computers were in serious disagreement. Fritz and Shredder loved the rook and were giving +1.50 and higher for Kramnik. Rybka wasn't convinced and evaluated it as even, concurring with GM Christiansen. This led one to quip that they must prepare with different engines. "But who is using Zappa?" might be the right question now.)

Anand's knight was headed to d5 and he wasn't worried about the h6 pawn. He didn't take a serious think until 27.Qh5. Now Larry was wondering if Black wasn't going to have trouble holding on to his pawns while worrying about a rook invasion on the c-file. 29..Nf4 made it clear that White had his own problems. (Note the amusing 29.Qxg5?? Ne2+ 30.Kh1 Qxh2+!) Kramnik did his best, getting a rook and queen on the 8th rank with threats. Anand calmly moved his king up and threatened to push his queenside pawns. Kramnik had to bow to the inevitable and offer a draw on move 41. Were the players reversed you might even imagine Black playing on with ..Kb4, but it would have entailed considerable risk with those white rooks roaming around. Black has almost no winning chances and a very good chance of losing if he pushes too hard. I played out a few dozen tries against an engine and could never get the black pawns moving without getting cut to pieces or forced into a repetition.

A tremendous analytical and practical achievement from Vishy and a game that lived up to the hype.>

Sep-25-07  percyblakeney: Anand is interviewed by GM Fontaine here, together with a couple of clips from the press conference:

Sep-25-07  arifattar: On those video clips, there is a song at the start of each clip. Does anyone know what song it is? And can I get it from anywhere?
Sep-25-07  Jim Bartle: Does anybody know how long Kramnik took on move 30 Kh1? It must have been over half an hour.
Sep-25-07  Ragh: <you vs yourself: For 41 moves, they fought ruthlessly. After the game, the two chess titans analyzing it but this time in a much different mood: > From that picture, it does become apparent that these two certainly share a very amicable relationship and possess a great deal of mutual respect for each other. Humility is wonderful trait to have for the top-class sportspersons. It could be a great magnetic force when it comes to fan following.
Sep-25-07  znprdx: I wonder if anyone will be discussing this game 5 years from now - let alone 50 as is the case for the games of so many greats. Sadly I foresee this tournament as Classical Chess's last stand...more of a whimper than a bang (apologies to T.S.Eliot)
Sep-25-07  KamikazeAttack: <From that picture, it does become apparent that these two certainly share a very amicable relationship and possess a great deal of mutual respect for each other. Humility is wonderful trait to have for the top-class sportspersons. It could be a great magnetic force when it comes to fan following.>

Compare that to Elista 12 months ago.

We are in for a one of the bitterest OTB fights next year between the 2 greatest chess players of the last deacde (save for Kasparov).

2 classy men who have manners and civility to boot.

Sep-25-07  patzer2: So I suppose the draw is 41...Kb4 42. Qg8! (not 42. Rb1? Nb3 ) Qd5! 43. Qf8+ Qd6 44. Qg8 Qd5 etc. with a draw by repetition.
Sep-25-07  patzer2: See for post-game commentary from both players.
Sep-25-07  blazerdoodle: <> boz <> SAYS IT ALL: "To become champion you must defeat the champion. That is why this tournament must be followed by a match. And that is why in a match, the challenger does not become champion by drawing the champion."

Why some people want to see the WC stripped of his title because he might play poorly in a tournament is beyond me. If Kramnik could loose this tournament and still crush any one of them (as he's done against some of them in the past), in a tournament, why shouldn't he be WC? Some people are desperate to rewrite the rules to favor their petty little desires. I don't know if Kramnik can beat Annand or not in the next match, but by God, until then, Annand is not WC, or do you really believe he is because of this match? But you wan to avoid a match with the champion? Come on, face it, you want Annand to be WC without having to fight a match with the WC for it. Clearly, you can see what's wrong with that? Pass another ale, babyface, I'm need to clear my head of this illogical, lack of common sense, tripe.

Sep-25-07  acirce: <Some people are desperate to rewrite the rules to favor their petty little desires.>

Yes, indeed.

As Kramnik said: <A rule is a rule. You might like one system or another system, but once a rule is established we have to respect certain laws. Again I would repeat that I think that a title which is won in a match to me is more valuable than the title which is won in tournament, but still it’s a title and of course if I don’t win Mexico I cannot call myself world champion. That is clear.>

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  tamar: Easy to say follow the rules when the rules are tilted in your favor.

Kramnik feels with some justification that the world title decided in Mexico City will not be taken seriously until the matches are played.

Sep-25-07  Petrosianic: <Kramnik feels with some justification that the world title decided in Mexico City will not be taken seriously until the matches are played.>

Whether Anand's (or whoever's) title is taken seriously is a completely different question than whether he has it at all. Those two questions tend to get blended into one in these discussions.

Sep-25-07  Hesam7: In the press conference Anand said that he was afraid of 34 Rad1 and could not see how Black could solve his problems after that. Anyone with an engine analysis??
Sep-25-07  mworld: I am not fully convinced, but it looks to me like on move 33. Kramnik could start a big attack on Anand's king with 33. Rxa6.

Anyone else see this as a possibility (or know why I am crazy for thinking so :)?

Sep-25-07  blazerdoodle: <> acirce <>

Kramnik just amazes me. He would say that? I didn't hear anything like that from Topalov, none of taht kind of respect, just a spoiled rat screeching I want my cookie - and yours. Heck, I don't know, maybe Vishy is worthy of WC after this tournament, BUT there is nothing wrong with a match with Kramnik to prove it. How about first to win 6 games - and the champion retains the title in the event of a draw? Sound familiar?

I'm going to sit down and read the games I haven't been able to catch up on yet. I can't wait. A nice cold beer sitting next to me.

Sep-25-07  acirce: I forgot the source, it was part 2 of the big Chessbase interview, but of course he's stressed the same point at other times.

Sep-25-07  blazerdoodle: I remember that interview, but I've been playing catch up elsewhere and reading older interviews, and went from being ticked at kramnik (He !!! would not give Kasparov a rematch !!!) --- to admiring him, and his reasons are no different than Alekhines. Remember, Alekhine said in so many words that Capablanca wouldn't even see him personally to decide on a rematch, but sent some flunky along, and decided to change all the rules of the match, and tried to do it behind his back. Alekhine said what's wrong with the rules I beat you with Pal - I mean - the ones you forced me to play by? I digress, and this cheap domestic lager is quite tasty. Sorry about that controversial and probably propagandic version of events from the past, who knows what happened?
Sep-25-07  mworld: Looked at it even more.

33.Rxa6 still looks like a win to me.

Sep-25-07  mworld: wow, i think i may have stumbled on something from just looking at it while following the game!

I sure hope someone proves me wrong, because I still doubt that I could see something like this that a 2800+ player might not have : /

Sep-25-07  yogi1986: mworld, can you post a line, after kxr The Queen cannot check at a8 as it is covered by the black queen, and Ra1 check seems to lead nowhere.
Sep-25-07  mworld: I just played out a huge variety of Ra1 checks after KxR and they all seemed to end in mate. I apologize, but I am just using a board and playing it through one line then repeating with what I think others are.

At a certain point I just started trying to refute that Ra1+ doesn't lead to mate and haven't found one yet.

So basically if you see one, please let me know --- since I am stuck trying to find one still.

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