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| Nov-17-07 | | zealouspawn: the pawn on d6 remind anyone of the Kramnik game yesterday? |
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| Nov-17-07 | | sanyas: I saw that sac coming ages ago. Black probably isn't lost until 16...♘e5. Missed opportunities:
3.♘f6 is more practical with ♙a3
5...♘xe4 is smart odds chess
6...♗b6 is better
7...0-0 was another smart decision: 8.dxc6 dxc6 or 8.e5 ♘xe5
9.0-0 was probably better.
9...♘xf2 10.♔xf2 ♗c5+ should have been snatched up.
Again 12...♗e7! would have been intelligent.
In hindsight, ♘g8-f6 should have been tried, or even ♘f5xd6.
You get given odds by Rubinstein, you need to show some humility.
Of course, some would say that playing like that spoils the fun and misses the point. But the alternative is that outcomes like this are inevitable. |
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Nov-17-07
 | | al wazir: Black could have escaped mate with 21...Qg5 22. Bxg5 h5. |
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| Nov-17-07 | | strelec: There's no escape for black 21...Qg5 22.Re8#. It is actually very nice mating pattern useful in practical chess. |
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| Nov-17-07 | | Samagonka: Why is the a-pawn already a step ahead at the beginning of the game? And what does Handicap Olympics mean? Was this a tournament for the mentally retarded? |
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| Nov-17-07 | | Justawoodpusher: <Samagonka> There is not only the a-pawn, but also a rook missing behind it...
This probably also explains the "Handicap Olympics"
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| Nov-17-07 | | patzer2: Rubenstein's 19. Qxh6!!  completes an amusing mating attack. In the final position, play might continue 22...Qg7 23. Rxg7+ Kf8 24. Rxh7+ Kg8 25. Rh7+ Kh8 26. Bxf7 b6 27. Rg8#. |
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Nov-17-07
 | | kevin86: A saw a windmill,then I saw mate after: 21...Qg7 22 Rxg7+ Kf8 23 Rxf7+ Kg8 24 Rxd7# or if 24...Ke8 25 Rxe7+ Kd8 26 Bg5 and mate follows... |
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| Nov-17-07 | | CapablancaFan: Rubinstein gives an amateur rook odds but gets to advance his rook pawn one square. Black plays this opening terribly as white's king & queen pawns tear down the middle of the board demolishing anything in their way. After 15.O-O, it becomes hard to find satisfactory moves for black, as the d6 pawn virtually by itself is shutting down black's game. After 19.Qxh6!, black may have as well resigned there. |
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Nov-17-07
 | | bright1: I thought the finish would be
22. ... Qg7
23. Rxg7+ Kf8
24. Bxf7
followed by 25. Rxh7# |
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| Nov-17-07 | | sanyas: <bright1> Or 24...♖g8 25.♗xg8 b5 26.♖f7+ ♔xg8 27.♖f8# |
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Nov-17-07
 | | offramp: Has ever a move been more predictable than 13...Bxc3+? |
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| Nov-18-07 | | whiteshark: I didn't know that Rubinstein has had a handicap. |
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| Nov-19-07 | | sanyas: <offramp> <Has ever a move been more predictable than 13...Bxc3+?>
Are you saying it wasn't good?
<whiteshark> <I didn't know that Rubinstein has had a handicap.>
He does look hanicapped in your picture of him. Or, wait, who is that? |
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| Feb-29-08 | | D.Observer: 22. ... ♕g7 23. ♖xg7+ ♔f8 |
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| Oct-27-08 | | thebribri8: <D.Observer> A better and more surefire way to win is Bxg7! after which there is no way to stop Bh6#. |
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Oct-27-08
 | | sleepyirv: <thebribri8> Actually, h6 saves Black's bacon. |
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| Nov-08-08 | | thebribri8: Oh. That's right; I apologize, D.Observer. |
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| Nov-08-08 | | thebribri8: Rxg7 actually does lead to mate in 8. |
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| Feb-01-09 | | WhiteRook48: really a lot of handicaps |
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| Jul-30-09 | | WhiteRook48: 22...Qg7 23 Rxg7+ Kf8 24 Rxf7+ Ke8 25 Re7+ Kd8 26 Bg5! |
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| Dec-22-10 | | Ian McGarrett: The reason the a-pawn is moved forward is because at rook odds, the rook's pawn is unprotected at a2 whereas in the regular, non-odds starting position, all the pawns are protected. Being more of a coffeehouse player I have given rook odds often and have often had to offer up this explanation to opponents who asked why I get to play two moves at the start until one guy who tried to claim the game on an illegal move, right at the start, for just that reason. Since then I start with the pawn on a2. In fact, against some opponents, the best strategy is to wait for them to make the first blunder (they ARE receiving rook odds after all) so I'll open with 1.a3 as a waiting move. |
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| Apr-26-11 | | bolek88: sanyas: <bright1> Or 24...Rg8 25.Bxg8 b5 26.Rf7+ Kxg8 27.Rf8#
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or 24....Rg8 25.Rxh7+ Rg7 26.Rxg7 b5 27.Rh7X |
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| Jan-30-13 | | Diglot: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Be7 <6...Bb6 is definitely better> 7.d5 Nb8 <7...Na5 is to be preferred here> 8.e5 Ng4 <8...Ne4 is just as playable> 9.h3 Nh6 <9...Nxf2 10.Kxf2 is also a fine alternative, though Black probably wanted to keep the material advantage against a much stronger player> 10.d6 <Onward! Definitely the strongest move here for White> 10...cxd6 11.exd6 Bf6 12.Qe2+ Kf8 13.Nc3 <13.0–0 or 13.g4 are good alternatives> 13...Bxc3+ 14.bxc3 Nc6 <14...Qe8 is better here> 15.0–0 Qe8 <Too late for that now! 15...Nf5 was needed> 16.Qd2 <16.Qc2 is more accurate and after 16...b5 (what else is there?!), White has the response of 17.Bd5 which levels things out to an equal position after 17...f6 18.Nxh6 gxh6, whereas the natural looking 17...Bb7 gives White a strong advantage after 18.Re1!> 16...Ne5 <Blunder which immediately loses. 16...Nd8 or 16...f6 were needed> 17.Re1 <It’s all over for Black now. 14.Nxe5 is also good here> 17...Nxf3+ 18.gxf3 Qd8 19.Qxh6 <The decisive blow! Also winning for White, though not as quickly, is 19.Re7 Qxe7 20.dxe7+ Ke8 Qd5> 19...gxh6 <Accepting the Queen leads to mate, though so does practically everything else. 19...b5 doesn't lead to a forced mate but Black's game is in complete shambles after 20.Bb3 Bb7 21.Re7> 20.Bxh6+ Kg8 21.Kh2 Qf8 22.Rg1+ <Black resigns due to mate in five: 22...Qg7 23.Rxg7+ Kf8 24.Rg1+ Ke8 26.Bg5+ f6 27.Bxf6#> 1-0 |
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| Jan-30-13 | | Novirasputin: This same thing was in Nimzos book. Rook odds pawn on a3. I thought it was so because in typical Italian game c3, d4 variations black needs Bb4+ or the knights roll back and d6 comes. So with a3 black should avoid that variation. It seems even Euwe had a tourney win with such where instead of Bb4 the opponent played Bb6 |
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