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Vladimir Kramnik vs Magnus Carlsen
Tal Memorial (2007), Moscow RUS, rd 1, Nov-10
Catalan Opening: Closed Variation (E06)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Nov-10-07  goldenbear: Can anyone explain 35.g5? Surely g6 is winning. This is mind-blowing to me. Why doesn't Carlsen try to win this endgame?
Nov-10-07  yogi1986: It looks like the knight is trapped, but g5! ensures the opening of the f-file thus guaranteeing a rook on the 7th with an easily drawn rook endgame. g6 kg2 Nxh4 gxN Rxf4 Kg3 seems to lead to an ending where white has better rook, and better king
Nov-10-07  whiteshark: <27...Qc8> The Fritz test :D

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Nov-10-07  dycotiles: What a nice game. Really spicy draw here.
Nov-10-07  Atkins: Yes a very good game. Add that Carlsen was leading one hour at the clock that could be a shock to Kramnik who intended to play the Catalan in his match with Anand. Searching for an improvement for White is not an easy task. Black'plan is clear (Even if deeply executed here) exchange the light square Bishop even at the price of a pawn.
Nov-10-07  BlackNightmare: carlsen might as well have helped annad indirectly in this game...the boy is amazin
Nov-10-07  Kaspablanca: I thought Kramnik skipped this tournament.
Nov-11-07  Whack8888: I dont know how much this game will effect the Kramnik-Anand match. It seems that Bg5 did not work out to well, and also Nb3 may be a little suspect. White doesnt prevent c5, and I think maybe these moves may be the reason for this. Maybe Kramnik can come up with something so he gives up the light squared bishop, but prevents c5.

Bg5 sort of forces Nbd7, which is probably something Black wanted to do anyway to support c5.

Though this reeks of patzerness, maybe 11. a3 would have been better, with the idea of b4. I dont think this will really work out, but it might, considering that Black has spent two tempo getting his bishop to d6, maybe White can afford this somewhat crude plan, whereas normally he cant, because Black can get in c5 before White can play b4.

10...Nbd7 (instead of Bd6) 11. a3?! c5! whereas after 10...Bd6 11. a3 c5 is not possible.

This idea does limit White's dark squared bishop pretty badly though, doesnt it. Also, after b4 Bxf3 followed by Qxd4 might be better because it will attack the Rook and more than likely allow Black to play Qb6 and then c5.

I geuss my main point is, Kramnik's play looks a little lackadasical in the opening here, and I think he may already have better ideas of how to play against this system but might not want to show them off right away.

Nov-11-07  whiteshark: <<Whack8888> ....It seems that Bg5 did not work out to well...>

I thought similar and let the maschine run over night. Position after <10...Bd6>:

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Rybka 2.3.2, depth 20 ply:

1) 11.Re1 Be4 12.Qc1 Bb7 13.Nc3 c5 14.Bf4 Nc6 15.Rd1 c4 16.Ng5 Bxf4 17.Qxf4 Qb8 0.10/20

2) 11.a4 Be4 12.Qc1 Nbd7 13.Nc3 Bc6 14.Bf4 Qb8 15.Ne5 Bxg2 16.Nxd7 Nxd7 17.Bxd6 cxd6 0.08/20

3) 11.Bg5 Nbd7 12.Rd1 Qb8 13.Nbd2 h6 14.Bxf6 Nxf6 15.Ne1 Bxg2 16.Nxg2 Qb6 17.Ne4 Nxe4 0.07/20

4) 11.Nc3 b4 12.Na4 Be4 13.Qb3 Bd5 14.Qd3 Nbd7 15.Rfc1 Qb8 16.Nc5 Rd8 17.a3 bxa3 0.05/20

5) 11.Rc1 Nbd7 12.Ba5 Qe7 13.a4 c5 14.axb5 axb5 15.Nc3 Bc6 16.Ng5 Bxg2 17.Kxg2 h6 0.04/20

6) 11.b4 Nbd7 12.a3 Be4 13.Qb3 Bd5 14.Qb2 Nb6 15.Nc3 Ne4 16.Qc2 Nxd2 17.Nxd2 Bxg2 0.03/20

7) 11.a3 Nbd7 12.b4 Be4 13.Qb3 Bd5 14.Qb2 Nb6 15.Nc3 Ne4 16.Qc2 Nxd2 17.Nxd2 Bxg2 0.03/20

8) 11.Nh4 Bxg2 12.Kxg2 Qc8 13.Rc1 e5 14.dxe5 Bxe5 15.Bc3 Nbd7 16.Bxe5 Nxe5 17.a4 Re8 0.03/20

Nov-12-07  goldenbear: <yogi1986> That end-game is better for Black (although also easily drawable), but you are right in that g5 is more direct, and that I had over-looked Kg2.
Nov-13-07  sergeidave: Damn, the kid's got some thrill issues!! He is amazing! :)
Nov-20-07  Whack8888: <whiteshark> Sorry for such a late responce, thanks for doing and posting the computer analysis--I geuss an improvement will be hard to find!

Kudos to Carlsen, I think it is clear he is either a total genius or he put a bit of time in anaylzing the Catalan--trying to come up with something good as Black. He played this game very well.

Nov-21-07  Ulhumbrus: Here is a kibitzer's remark from the page on the Kramnik - Shirov game which is actually about this game: <qskakaley: Is it just me, or doesn't Magnus' draw against Kramnik's Catalan earlier look even more impressive with the way Kramnik has been playing with it? I believe Kramnik said in an interview after that match that he believed that his own play was without fault, and that Magnus' play was just too good for a win with White...Too bad Magnus lost today...>
Mar-04-12  SoundWave: 35. Qxf5 is a fantastic move! It forces the exchange of queens, maintains control of h3 and the rook can't take due to back-rank mate.
Oct-09-20  Ibisha Biscotto: good golly what a sweaty clash! much forces met well!

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