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Vassily Ivanchuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Tal Memorial (2007), Moscow, rd 5, Nov-15
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation Chelyabinsk Variation (B33)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Nov-14-07  Eyal: It seems that Chucky threw away the win by 83.Qf8+? Instead, 83.Bf3! wins (83...Bxg2 84.Qh4+ Kg7 85.Qg4+ followed by Bxg2).
Nov-14-07  othomile:

Just played: 93.Ka3 ยท 1/2-1/2

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  Gypsy: <Gegga: <Gypsy: Time to resign, I think.> lol> Well, that was before Ivanchuk traded the bishops.
Nov-14-07  TIMER: I said <Ivanchuk is playing this well, not just going to an endgame a pawn or two up- but squeezing the most out of the attack first to improve his position.> and then he did just the opposite!
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  Gypsy: <Eyal: It seems that Chucky threw away the win by 83.Qf8+? Instead, 83.Bf3! wins (83...Bxg2 84.Qh4+ Kg7 85.Qg4+ followed by Bxg2).> Same from this view-point.
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  moronovich: Tremendous save by Carlsen !!
Nov-14-07  newton296: < OneArmedScissor: That <newton> guy can shut up now. All the Carlsen fan boys were dead set that this was a draw, etc.>

do you see the draw now?

also, I'll admit I'm carlson fan. so what!

maybe you would have a point that i'm biased had the game not ended in a draw, but it did!

Nov-14-07  newton296: draw! magnus is a genius !!
Nov-14-07  Jim Bartle: "Carlsen is not an inexperienced player."

All right, how about "immature," then? A 16-year-old just can't be a fully-formed top-tier player. Not even Fischer, Kasparov, etc.

Nov-14-07  Gegga: <newton296>. You should at least be able to spell his name correctly. Carlsen. With an "e".
Nov-14-07  Jim Bartle: Very, very impressive.

Sneaky: "Don't underestimate the power of exhaustion."

Absolutely. Makes you want to go back to the days of adjournments, though it's no longer practical.

Nov-14-07  awfulhangover: Some kibitzers said that Ivanchuck gave up in a won position. (1-0 in 45 moves!) According to tablebase ...
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  Resignation Trap: It's a tablebase draw once the Bishops came off. Good defense by Carlsen.
Nov-14-07  cannibal: <awfulhangover>
Those kibitzers must have entered the final position with white to move, or something like that. With black to move it's a draw.
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  Gypsy: <Resignation Trap: It's a tablebase draw once the Bishops came off. Good defense by Carlsen.> Offering that trade was a brilliant psychological ploy by Carlsen. Tired Ivanchuk let his vigilance down and took the bait.
Nov-14-07  ounos: Here is a nice tablebase:

Pass the word.

Nov-14-07  awfulhangover: Ok, you're right, Cannibal. I resign :-)
Nov-14-07  acirce: Wow, Carlsen did survive this after all. Good fight.
Nov-14-07  KamikazeAttack: Chucky should have won from move 32 with correct technique.
Nov-14-07  ChessNe1: i guess this shows the importance of forcing the exchange of queens when the time is right.
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  ahmadov: Bravo Magnus!

(I did not have a chance to watch this game live until the end. I thought that Chucky was winning, but it turns out that Carlsen managed to draw the game...)

Nov-15-07  ColonelCrockett: 34. Qd4 seems to win. Can someone please explain why Ivanchuk chose Be2?
Nov-15-07  Progman: This is how I, a 1000 elo player at best would do in Ivanchuk's position:

"OK, I'm two pawns up. By good use of Queen and King, I'll walk one of them to the 8 file one way or another. I'll get rid of the Bishops and make this less complicated..."

and of course I would forget that by doing so, I'd give the opponent the opportunity to check until eternity... Don't know what was in Ivanchuk's mind. But somehow I just can't believe he lapsed into the same way of thinking.

Nov-15-07  babakova: Carlsen got a little lucky and defended very stubbornly, a half point well earned.
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  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 20...e4?! 20..Rb7 prepares ..Rb7-f7 without conceding either the d4 square or the 5th rank to White
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