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|Dec-04-07|| ||Xaurus: <so I rate him lucky to have won this one.>|
Yeah, of course. Nothing special going on here. Move on.
|Dec-04-07|| ||xrt999: <zb2cr: <xrt999>, See the references above to .357 Magnum (a caliber & cartridge load, for a handgun). I think the pun was the only one <chessgames.com> could come up with on Magnus>|
How about "Magnus Opus"? An opera perhaps, one that puts you to sleep.
Sorry, but this game is <boring>. Carlsen elicits and parlays a razor-thin edge into a win in 75 moves, waiting for Adams to trip up. Not really my type of game, sorry.
|Dec-04-07|| ||patzer2: With 55. Bf1! , White deflects the Knight from his defense of the key Black pawn on a5, and after 55...Nxb2 allows the winning 56. Bb5+ Kd8 57. Bb6+ (winning back the sacrificed pawn with decisive advantage).|
Perhaps the winning 57th move adds to the significance of the quote, and explains why it wasn't "44 magnus" used in the pun.
|Dec-04-07|| ||patzer2: One of my favorite movie lines is by Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry (1971) as Harry Callahan:|
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"
|Dec-04-07|| ||Jim Bartle: I can't help it. If Carlsen were to say anything from a movie, I can only picture "Breakfast Club" or "Ferris Bueller."|
|Dec-04-07|| ||Shams: interesting trivia on .357 and .38 calibers-- despite what you'd think, a .38 will fit in a .357 bore but not vice versa! the diameter is the same, but the .357 is a longer cartridge. |
/father was a gun owner
|Dec-04-07|| ||JohnBoy: <xrt999: Sorry, but this game is boring.> Dude - you don't know much about chess. This shows excellent technique and patience on white's part. A lot of very good players (including myself - about 2300) can learn much from Carlsen's play here. A lot of weaker players might be befuddled, as the margin between a win and a draw is very slight here.|
|Dec-04-07|| ||acirce: <This> game is boring? This is an amazing game!|
|Dec-04-07|| ||Jim Bartle: Sure didn't seem boring while following it live. Anything but...|
|Dec-04-07|| ||xrt999: John Boy, there is a big difference between befuddlement and boring.|
This all started, by the way, if you follow the conversation in its entirety and not just yank little snippets out of context.
My initial comment was that "0.357 Magnum" connotes a large bore gun which blasts a hole the size of a grapefuit in it victim. I envisioned a powerful orchestrated crushing defeat of Adams, not Carlsen eliciting and parlaying a razor-thin advantage combined with Adams errors.
The title of the game, hence, did not fit the stylistic play exhibited by Carlsen, at 75, nay, 77 moves.
I didnt say the play was not brilliant, nor did I say that I didnt learn something up until move 57 when I dozed off, because I did.
Thanks for your comments.
|Dec-04-07|| ||Jim Bartle: "there is a big difference between befuddlement and boring."|
Or as the guitarist in Spinal Tap said, "It's such a fine line between clever and stupid."
|Dec-04-07|| ||Xaurus: There's always those who think they are so much better than everyone else.|
If this game is boring, so is chess.
Go play Nintendo or something.
|Dec-04-07|| ||Jim Bartle: Or poker. (Ugh)|
|Dec-04-07|| ||Gambit All: This game is a textbook demonstration of the advantage of Bishops vs. Knights in an open position endgame. Brilliant young players often see with extraordinary clarity into a position, then decipher how a basic principle of Chess is governing the seemingly complex position. They then eloquently demonstrate how to apply this principle to maximum advantage to gain a winning position in a game.|
|Dec-04-07|| ||Monoceros: I've only followed this up to move 30 or so. Adams seemed to have matters in hand up to then, first reducing the value of Carlsen's plus pawn by isolating it, then piling up on the isolani and eventually capturing it. What happened afterward? How'd he lose the thread?|
Anyway, this is the sort of game I hope ends up in a good textbook some day on positional chess.
|Dec-04-07|| ||tamar: The king knight had an extra-ordinary career.
It held off Black's Rooks from the corner,
took one rook and held off the other from the corner again
held the d pawn and then abandoned it
pressured the b pawn, and then gave its life to eliminate the last Black bishop
Its progress reminds me of Federer in tennis, retrieving on the baselines from impossible angles, and gradually turning the tables and coming toward net.
|Dec-05-07|| ||Cibator: The opening puzzles me. All else being equal, the gambit of a P needs to gain you at least three tempi to be justifiable. After castling, Black barely has them; plus, the queenless position significantly reduces his chances of whipping up counterplay.|
As for the later phases, two bishops vs two knights in an open position, with the knights unable (as here) to find secure outpost squares, is almost invariably going to result in victory for the bishops.
|Dec-05-07|| ||Eyal: Interesting to note how Carlsen indirectly defends the f4 pawn with 47.Rd1 - if 47...Nxf4?|
click for larger view
then 48.Bc5! wins.
Btw, Carlsen played (and won) another instructive endgame with 2 bishops vs. 2 knights in round 1 (Zhao Zong Yuan vs Carlsen, 2007).
|Dec-06-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: Interesting to note how Carlsen indirectly defends the f4 pawn with 47.Rd1 - if 47...Nxf4?
then 48.Bc5! wins.>
I'll give 48 Bc5!! two exclamation marks. White offers his B as well as his Rook , but Black can take only one piece at a time and the bishop pins his Rook for just one tempo, long enough for White's Rook to take Black's Rook instead. So White sacrifices his B in return for a crucial tempo.
|Feb-29-08|| ||positionalgenius: A super-class endgame from carlsen|
|Apr-11-08|| ||AAAAron: 49. g4 was the beginning of the end for Adams! Carlson drives the knight away which leaves an overloaded rook left to protect two pieces, which after the exchange of rooks allows Carlson to capture the hanging pawn, and slowly strangle down blacks pieces. This was to me the BIG turning point in the game. Cheers to Carlson!!!!!|
|Jul-19-08|| ||Sbetsho: !!!!!!!!!!!! Carlson !!!!!!!!!!!!!
|Sep-03-08|| ||Bobwhoosta: <Ulhumbrus: "A Rook on the Seventh Rank is sufficient compensation for a pawn">|
Just to clarify about that rule, (and as we ALL know), all rules have their exceptions, and none more so in chess. As it stands, the 7th Rank rule was stated as relating to the endgame, where a rook has extreme power in that capacity (Attacking pawns, hindering the enemy king). In the middle game a rook on the 7th can be devestating, and it can be nothing. So I don't think it applies here, especially seeing how Carlsen was able to drive it away. Adams' compensation came from development, and the disorganization of White's pieces. Objectively I would say the compensation is not enough, as Adams' was never able to generate sufficient threats, but I couldn't see myself defending that position without making all kinds of concessions. For instance, the knight goes to a1 twice!! The kid is a genius.
|May-31-16|| ||cormier: |
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Analysis by Houdini :d 30
1. (0.40): 46...Nxf4 47.Re4 Ne6 48.Rxe6 Rxe6 49.hxg4 Re4 50.Bxb6 Rxa4 51.Bb5 Rxg4 52.Bxa5 Ke7 53.Bc3 Kd6 54.Be2 Ra4 55.Kf2 g6 56.b3 Rh4 57.b4 f5 58.Ke3 Kc6 59.b5+ Kc5 60.Be1 Ra4 61.Bf2 Ra2 62.Kf3+ Kd5 63.Be3 Ra3 64.b6 Kc6 65.Bb5+ Kb7 66.Bc4 Kc6 67.Be6 h6
2. (0.50): 46...Ne7 47.Bc3 Nh6 48.Bc4 Nf7 49.b3 Nd8 50.Bb2 Nb7 51.Ba3 Nc5 52.Rc1 Nc6 53.Bxc5 bxc5 54.Bb5 Nd4 55.Rxc5 Nxb3 56.Rc8+ Ke7 57.Rg8 g6 58.Rg7+ Kf8 59.Rxh7 Rd4 60.g3 Nc5 61.Ra7 Nxa4 62.Kf2 Nc3 63.Rxa5 Nxb5 64.Rxb5 Rd7 65.Ke3 Kg7 66.Rb6 Ra7 67.Rb3 Ra4 68.h4 f5 69.Rd3 Kf6 70.Rd6+
|May-28-18|| ||ndg2: Tremendous technique in a line that is / was? thought to be draw. The two-time excursion of the knight to a1 is astounding. Slowly but surely white throws back black, who is himself a noted endgame specialist. In all fairness it has to said, that 12..Nbd7 was harmless, 12..Nc6 would have given black full compensation for the pawn.|
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