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Sergei Tiviakov vs Desiree Hamelink
Dutch Open (2004), Dieren, Netherlands, rd 1, Jul-27
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation. English Attack (B90)  ·  0-1



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Feb-06-08  Whitehat1963: Huge upset! Was this a classical game?
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  Stonehenge: Yes, first round Dutch Open 2004 (as you can see). I don't think 36.Rdg4 deserves a ?, because white was already lost. Black threatens to put her queen on the a-file and her rook on e2.
Feb-06-08  Whitehat1963: I don't know if 36. Rdg4 deserves a ? or not, but 42. Nd4 deserves ??.
Feb-06-08  Riverbeast: Was Tiviakov drunk when he played this game?
Apr-09-08  Whitehat1963: Biggest upset in the database?
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  whiteshark: After his defeat against Desiree Hamelink <the battle of the sexes> Tiviakov won all his games and was therefore still winner of the Dutch Open.


Apr-09-08  Karpova: <Whitehat1963: Biggest upset in the database?> M Fouts vs N Firman, 2003
DeFirmian vs E Thingstad, 2007
Apr-09-08  Whitehat1963: <Karpova>, you're right, those are incredible upsets. Still, giving away nearly 500 Elo points and winning with black against a nearly 2700-level player? This simply isn't supposed to happen! (Especially for a woman, if you want to get stupid and misogynistic about it!) That's why I would still be tempted to rate this as the biggest upset in the database.
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  tpstar: <Especially for a woman> I don't understand your point. Perhaps you are confusing Tiviakov with Tkachiev who brought us the World Chess Beauty Contest where there might be some increased gender tension over the game result.

If you are saying that this upset is more meaningful because a woman defeated a man, then I disagree.

Apr-09-08  Whitehat1963: I was making a BAD joke, <tpstar>. It's ridiculous for me, who would be rated somewhere below 1450, to suggest that a woman can't be as good at chess as any man. Polgar, Humpy, Yifan and so many others would certainly slap me around (along with 99.9999 ... percent of the other men on the planet) in a game of chess in their sleep, and I would love the mere opportunity to play against them, knowing full well that I wouldn't stand a chance. So, I was just making light of the fact that, as so many men can't stand losing to women in anything, on top of losing to a player who was rated 479 points beneath him (meaningful), to make matters worse, poor Tiviakov lost to a WOMAN as well (meaningless detail, of course).
Feb-04-10  TheBish: Even stronger than 40...Qe2 is 40...Re2! 41. Na5 Qc4!!, which is crushing.

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