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Edward W Formanek vs Dave Oshana
Wamsley Tournament (1970), Chicago, IL USA
Queen's Gambit Declined: Albin Countergambit. Fianchetto Variation Bg4 Line (D09)  ·  0-1

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Mar-19-08  zb2cr: <Stelling>: <It is very interesting that the same pattern occurred twice on the game, first when black played 13. ... g5 and white couldn't reply with 14. N:g5? due to Q:f2+ and again on move 19 when white missed the same mate!! <snip> >

True, but in the case you quoted at move 14, The White King would have a flight square at h2, so Black would have to be content with winning a Rook.

Mar-19-08  dzechiel: <UdayanOwen: By the way <dzechiel>, sorry about the misspellings of your username that I made earlier, if you noticed.>

Thanks, but I was too busy pointing out to my wife that I was a "hero" to worry about it. :D

Mar-19-08
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  playground player: I like the Albin Countergambit! It hasn't given me many wins against much stronger players, but it has given me better games than I might have had with another opening. Was Frank Marshall the all-time wizard of the Albin Countergambit, or was there someone else even better at it?
Mar-19-08  Stelling: <zb2c4>, I was talking about the pattern repetition within the same game, of course the specifics of each position are different. One of the key components of good chess is the quick identification of patterns and themes. That's why if you spot this pattern on move 14 you're not supposed to miss it on move 19. No matter if the former leaves you a rook down and the latter a king down. ;) And to tell you the truth, I'd be more than content with a rook up against Formanek. ;)
Mar-19-08  uuft: aazqua needs a grouphug.
Mar-19-08  just a kid: I got Qxf2+ in 10 seconds!
Mar-19-08  Rama: So many good moves to choose from. "Let's try a Queen sac."

I am proud of my upsets. My biggest was in the 1986 Minneapolis Open beating three 2100 Experts in a row while rated 1650. They all felt great!

Mar-19-08  patzer2: It's mate-in-three (or two) after 19...Qxf2+! for today's puzzle solution. See <TheaN>'s or <FSR>'s or <johnlspouge>'s posts for detail.
Mar-19-08  Jack Kerouac: Yeah. I beat Fischer once. Then the alarm went off.
Mar-19-08
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  kevin86: A brilliant move by black! Pshaw! I tried ...♕h2+ but not ♕f2+. White will be mated quickly after

20 ♔h1 by ♘g3# or ♔xf2 ♗c5+ 21 ♗e3 ♗xe3#

Mar-19-08  Mendrys: It's interesting that the enginges I play (Fritz10 and Crafty) both have to be "shown" 16. Qg4. It's what really makes the impressive 15. Rxh4! work to it's potential. They both prefer 16. Ng6. It certainly looks to me that the Knight being on f5 complements the white squared bishop much more effectively.
Mar-19-08  YouRang: <Rama><I am proud of my upsets. My biggest was in the 1986 Minneapolis Open beating three 2100 Experts in a row while rated 1650. <They all felt great!>>

Funny, I figured that they would each feel lousy after losing to a 1650 player.

Mar-19-08  jheiner: Missed the line in the game which was the best. I saw another line first and just went with it. (That and a Queen sac on Wednesday?! I thought that was for Mondays...)

My line was: 19...Bc5 20. Be3 Rh8 21. Nf3 Bxf3 with mate to follow. The Knight of f5 is particularly powerful. Could someone refute?

Mar-19-08
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  tpstar: <chessgames.com> Great choice for a puzzle. ;>D

Please revisit the previous proposal that anyone who complains about a Daily Puzzle (too easy, too hard, not a Wednesday etc.) must submit a puzzle for you to use. I just can't believe all this complaining.

The biggest upset in the database by rating differential is M Fouts vs N Firman, 2003 while other potential candidates are here = Ivanchuk vs V Sladek, 2005

Mar-19-08  stupidiot21: anyone know what happened to oshana? he only has 1 game here.
Mar-19-08  Marmot PFL: <<Rama><I am proud of my upsets. My biggest was in the 1986 Minneapolis Open beating three 2100 Experts in a row while rated 1650.>

What happened after that? I had much the same experience once as a 1600 and the next two rounds got smashed back to earth by masters (both former state champs, as in fact was one of the guys I upset.) The game with the first master was the first time I ever played board 1 in a tournament with spectators watching my moves and there was definitely much more tension than a typical game.

Mar-19-08  dzechiel: <tpstar: while other potential candidates are here = Ivanchuk vs V Sladek, 2005;

Ivanchuk is shown as winning this game. Did chessgames repair an error in their DB?

Mar-19-08
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  tpstar: <dzechiel> Yes, Ivanchuk won that game. Please review the kibitzing (except for the final comment ;>D).

Another big upset for the list = DeFirmian vs E Thingstad, 2007

Mar-19-08
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  Domdaniel: <Johnlspouge> I agree, and those regular complaints about ego get pretty irritating. I don't post here very often - nor do I apply myself properly to analysing the positions very often - but I like to look in every day and see how the posts are going.

For me, the question of whether there is 'ego' involved is irrelevant. If there sometimes is, so what? What I find interesting is the different approaches to move selection and analysis, and the whole psychology involved in analysing these positions.

For those who do it properly - unlike me - it's almost certainly good for your chess. But, apart from that, it's just one small corner of one website dealing with one game. Anyone who finds the style objectionable can easily go somewhere else. Or go forth and multiply, if they like.

Mar-19-08  MiCrooks: The Fouts-Firman game is a bit misleading as well. He was 15 or 16 at the time but playing in a lofty tourney if you look at the cross table. He beat the even younger phenom Caruna and although his USCF rating was only in the low 1900's, it's not clear what his FIDE rating was at the time! Right now he is still a FIDE master at 20 with a max rating around 2260 while his USCF (normally 100 points or more ABOVE a FIDE rating) is only 2040!!

Sand bagger? Who knows! It is well known that kids in the US come out of these youth circuits with ratings well below there strength until they have played in adult tourneys long enough for the rating to catch up.

Mar-19-08  wals: Noting think:- Ready to take on whatever is offered -

Forward to TPOTD

What do I see? If the Queen takes the passed pawn on d3 it is lost, if the Rook takes Be2 it is lost. The white King is exposed if Bg2 is moved. f2 is a critical square.

19. ...Bc5 20.Be3 ...Nxe3 21.fxe3 ...Bxe3 +

PM=

Well, I'm gobsmacked. So simple, Qxf2+, Kxf2, Bc5+, Be3, Bxe3# The King lured out of his lair, to be an ex-ruler. The king is dead, long live the king.

Mar-19-08  thefableddavid: great puzzle. 3 in a row for me. it took me like 5 minutes to figure it out though.
Mar-19-08  DarthStapler: Too easy for a Wednesday, I saw it almost instantly
Mar-19-08  Halldor: Very nice puzzle. I was looking for something forcing since I was tired and not in the mood to think deep into the position, - and maybe therefor I found this rather quickly.

Many thanks to <dzechiel>, <MostlyAverageJoe>, <UdayanOwen> and many more posters for their daily analysis and commentaries of their thoughtprocess, that's great material esp. for studying the more difficult puzzles of the week.

I also like to see short posts in-between about how people find the puzzles, easy or difficult etc. - to get the general feedback (but complaints over the puzzles is rather boring stuff).

Mar-19-08  vanytchouck: I find it easily 'cause i always look first for spectacular sacrifices (wich is not a good thing) and i wanted to take the f8 bishop out the 8th ranked with tempo to allowed the rook to came to the battle.

So Qxf2 + with the idea Bc5 + came soon, but i did'nt thought that this sacrifice would work that well and i was surprise to see that in fact Bc5 is then mate.

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