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|Jan-17-08|| ||nolanryan: my main man gelfand is getting torched!|
|Jan-17-08|| ||PeerGynt: I just read a very disturbing interview with Valery Bobaev (the match director of Elista match). He was bragging before Bardsky (the same Bardsky who accused once Topalov of cheating) about how he made Danailov shut up his mouth about the Internet cable during the match. It turned out that the equipment brought by Bulgarians for searching hidden devices was some top of the line equipment and Bobaev told them that they might have violated the Custom law of Kalmykia, by not declaring high-tech goods. So if Danailov raises the question about the cable Bobaev will have them all kept in Kalmykia for long time (arested???). The interview is in Russian. http://globalchess.eu/main_rus.php?...|
I know this topic is sort of outdated, but isn't is bothering that all Danailov "lies" are turning out to be pure truth one by one?
|Jan-17-08|| ||acirce: That's nothing new. Here it is in English.
Funny how you think any of Danailov's lies have been refuted all of a sudden - I see you haven't changed much...
|Jan-17-08|| ||su24: <the Custom law of Kalmykia>|
hahaha Custom law of Kalmykia... that's funny. There is not such a thing. There is only custom law of Russian Federation!
|Jan-17-08|| ||acirce: And of course Bobaev does not claim that there is such a thing... just <PeerGynt>'s creative mind as usual. But can we at least take this away to Topalov's page or something.|
|Jan-17-08|| ||MaxxLange: 28. f4 traps the Queen AND discovers an attack on the undefended Bishop, for good measure.|
|Jan-17-08|| ||PeerGynt: <su24: <the Custom law of Kalmykia>
hahaha Custom law of Kalmykia... that's funny. There is not such a thing. There is only custom law of Russian Federation!>|
Ooooh, sorrrry! This changed everything. The whole story now is upside down.
But it was nice to remind us that Kalmykia is actually part of Russia - the native country of one of the players.
|Jan-17-08|| ||PeerGynt: <acirce: That's nothing new. Here it is in English.>|
Did you post this link before? I know you like to post links ... when suits you.
|Jan-17-08|| ||acirce: <PeerGynt> I've replied on Veselin Topalov as this page is about the Topalov-Gelfand game.|
|Jan-17-08|| ||Eyal: 27...Qg5, which leads to the entrapment of the queen, is a desperate attempt to defend against the lethal double threat created by 27.Ng4 - on the queen by discovery, and that of Nxh6+ followed by Nxf7 with the total collapse of Black's position. The real blunder was 26...Qe7?? - Gelfand should have played 26...Qh7, though his position is still uncomfortable after 27.Qf4.|
|Jan-17-08|| ||acirce: 11..Bd6 12.Bxd6 cxd6 is an interesting moment. Black willingly takes on an isolated doubled pawn, but it is no big weakness yet - rather it does a good job controlling important squares (and opens the c-file). I don't think Black is worse at this point.|
Presumably Gelfand thought 27..Qg5 would work when playing 26..Qe7, but forgot that the bishop on h5 was poisoned.
|Jan-17-08|| ||Avarus: 26.f3! is nasty, as black seemingly has to answer with something passive.|
26..Qh7 is the only move? (26..Qe8 27.Nf5 Qf8 28.Nxh6 )
|Jan-17-08|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <acirce: *** Presumably Gelfand thought 27..Qg5 would work when playing 26..Qe7, but forgot that the bishop on h5 was poisoned.>|
Gelfand is indeed badly out-of-form if, when playing 26. ... Qe7, he overlooked the fact that (in the game's final position) 28. ... Qxh5 would lose to 29. Nf6+.
Was he in severe time trouble?
|Jan-17-08|| ||Ezzy: Topalov,Veselin (2780) - Gelfand,Boris (2737) [C42]
Corus Chess 2008 Wijk aan Zee (5), 17.01.2008
[ 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.0–0 Be7 8.Nc3 Nxc3 9.bxc3 Bg4 10.Re1< 10 Rab1 is Anand v Gelfand Amber blindfold 2006> 0–0 11.Bf4 Bd6 12.Bxd6 cxd6 <Novelty. 12...Bxf3 has been played before. [12...Qxd6 13.Bxh7+ Kxh7 (13...Kh8 14.Bd3 Wins a free pawn.) 14.Ng5+ Kg6 15.Qxg4 f5 16.Qh4 Rh8 17.Re6+ Qxe6 18.Qxh8 Rxh8 19.Nxe6 Is not good for black]> 13.Re3 Qd7 14.h3 Bh5 15.Qd2 Rae8 16.Nh4! < A strong move.The idea is 17 Rxe8 Rxe8 18 Qg5 Winning the d5 pawn. Topalov can't immediately play 16 Rxe8 Rxe8 17 Qg5 because of Bxf3 18 gxf3 Qxh3 19 Qxd5 Ne5! and in all the variations, black is much better due to whites horrible pawn stucture. The tactics are really nice so I will give examples of the variations. Even the Petrov has hidden tactical dangers. [16.Rxe8 Rxe8 17.Qg5 Bxf3 18.gxf3 Qxh3 19.Qxd5 Ne5! 20.Be4 (20.dxe5 Rxe5 21.Bf1 (21.Bxh7+ Kh8 22.Be4 Rxd5 23.Bxd5 Black is better) 21...Qxf1+ 22.Kxf1 Rxd5 Black is better) 20...Re6 21.Qxb7 Rg6+ 22.Bxg6 Nxf3+ 23.Qxf3 Qxf3 24.Bd3 Black is better.]> 16...Rxe3 17.Qxe3 Qe6 18.Nf5< With the simple threat 19 Qxe6 fxe6 20 Nxd6> 18...Rd8 19.Qg5 Bg6 20.Ne3 Be4 21.Re1 h6 22.Qh4 <Topalov is still threatening 23 Nxd5> 22...Qg6 23.Be2 Bxc2 24.Bh5 Qe4 25.Qg3 Bd3 26.f3 <Topalov seems to have spotted a cheap trick> 26...Qe7??< Ouch. Gelfand walks right into it. 26...Qh7 was safe> 27.Ng4 Qg5 28.f4< That must of really hurt. 28...Qxh8 29 Nf6+! or 28...Qf5 29 Nxh6+> 1–0
I play the Petrov, so it’s good to see an example of how tactical it can get in some variations.
Gelfand is on a blunderfest. Not a happy time for Boris. Chess can be cruel. One minute you are on a high after a good world championship performance, and then Caissa bites back at you. Topalov who isn’t on good terms with Caissa at the moment will not be worrying too much about Gelfand’s problems, because he has a few of his own. A much needed win, however cheaply.
|Jan-17-08|| ||Kaspablanca: Gelfand let his queen get trapped, he is out of form, is funny that many Topalov fans think that the "comeback" began:). Do you expect Anand, Kramnik, Aronian,etc let his queen get trapped or make a terrible blunder in every game Topalov play against them?|
|Jan-17-08|| ||skrzypczyk: welltopalov may be back but I dought it...skrzypczyk|
|Jan-17-08|| ||notyetagm: Boy is Gelfand having a bad tournament! Look at today's howler:|
Position after 27 ... ♕e7-g5?? 28 f3-f4! 1-0
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Gelfand obviously saw the <DISCOVERED ATTACK> 28 f3-f4 on his Black g5-queen and <UNDEFENDED> Black d3-knight but probably thought he was ok because he could play 28 ... ♕g5x♗h5??. But that is met by the <DISCOVERED PIN> 29 ♘g4-f6+!, a royal fork.
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And likewise, Gelfand also cannot move the Black g5-queen to <DEFEND> the Black d3-bishop with 28 ... ♕g5-f5?? because White again(!) has a <DISCOVERED PIN> <ROYAL FORK> with 29 ♘g4xh6+!.
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A -tremendous- example of the <ABILITY OF A KNIGHT TO CONTROL SQUARES THE SAME COLOR THEY ARE ON>. Here the <LIGHT-SQUARED> White g4-knight <DEFENDS> both of the <LIGHT-SQUARES> h5 and f5.
Also note one of the tactical motifs that always kills me in bullet games: the White g3-queen lined up with the Black g8-king on the g-file, which makes all the <DISCOVERED PINS> possible. Just like Dr. Tarrasch said, it is -always- dangerous when the enemy queen and your king are on the same line. Here Gelfand pays the price for not spending a tempo on ... ♔g8-h8 to break this <ALIGNMENT>.
|Jan-17-08|| ||Confuse: <notyetagm> I think its important to note that the "trap" started around move 25. Gelfand is forced to lose material unless he moved in the way he did from here. Poor Gelfand : ( and congrats to topa.|
|Jan-18-08|| ||notyetagm: <Confuse: <notyetagm> I think its important to note that the "trap" started around move 25. Gelfand is forced to lose material unless he moved in the way he did from here. Poor Gelfand : ( and congrats to topa.>|
Yes, I realize that now. I composed my comment by examining only the very end of the game.
But regardless, what a disaster for Gelfand! He goes from having a near winning position with Black in the first round against Anand at the Mexico City World Championship (... ♖e4xf4! ) and a second-place tie with Kramnik to <+0 =2 -3> after five rounds of Corus.
|Jan-18-08|| ||grebenarov: <Kaspablanca: Gelfand let his queen get trapped, he is out of form, is funny that many Topalov fans think that the "comeback" began:). Do you expect Anand, Kramnik, Aronian,etc let his queen get trapped or make a terrible blunder in every game Topalov play against them?>|
I agree. Tomorrow's game against Peter Draw-ko will give us a better idea whether he is back or not.
|Jan-18-08|| ||Eyal: <11..Bd6 12.Bxd6 cxd6 is an interesting moment. Black willingly takes on an isolated doubled pawn, but it is no big weakness yet - rather it does a good job controlling important squares (and opens the c-file). I don't think Black is worse at this point.>|
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In chessbase, Marin comments on this position as follows:
<Double pawns are known to be weak, but also to control important groups of squares and leave files open for the major pieces. The weakness of the c3- and c2-pawns would be less relevant if the c-file would not be available for Black. In principle, the d5-pawn looks more exposed than the c3-pawn (even if for the simple reason that it is physically blocked; compare to White's possibility of playing a sacrificial c4 at some moment, provoking structural changes that could eventually offer him an initiative). On the other hand, the squares controled by the d5- and d6-pawns is more central, which can have an important influence over the outcome of the game. Anyway, it is not easy to give a final evaluation of the position, but both players had probably their own opinion about it. Topalov had had this structure before (against Bacrot, in Morelia 2006 - Topalov vs Bacrot, 2006), with the only difference that the [light-squared] bishops were exchanged early in that game. He maintained some pressure until deep in the endgame, but the result was a draw.>
|Jan-18-08|| ||Ulhumbrus: Instead of 16...Rxe3, 16...Na5 aims for c4. On 17 Nf5 Nc4 18 Bxc4 may not be so bad for Black after both 18...Qxf5 19 Bb3 Re4 and 18...dxc4. After 16...Na5 17 Rg3 f6 keeps White's Q out of the square g5.|
|Jan-22-08|| ||PinnedPiece: White to move
Good Tuesday puzzle?
|Feb-04-08|| ||jovack: what was gelfand thinking..
The queen though she was taking the bishop for free... it would be the end of her too lol
|Jul-17-08|| ||The Ninth Pawn: From Game Collection: The Ninth Pawn's Chess Course :|
In Topalov vs Gelfand, 2008 , the ideas to remember are again (1) the DECOY (28. f2-f4!) and (2) the KNIGHT FORK (29. ♘g4-f6+ after 28. ... ♕g5x♗h5). Another element is the PIN of the g7-pawn by the Queen.
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