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Magnus Carlsen vs Veselin Topalov
Morelia-Linares (2008), Linares ESP, rd 12, Mar-04
English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation Flexible Line (A28)  ·  1-0

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Mar-05-08  geobel: I really dont know what happened with topa - he played very well and his position was really better.

Mar-05-08  hitman84: It was better, but more importantly bitter.
Mar-05-08  ajile: Carlsen will be world champion someday.
Mar-05-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: One alternative is 27...Qb8, keeping the e5 pawn under attack, so that on 28 f5 Black has the move 28...Qxe5. Another possibility is 27...Qb6 at once in which case after 28 f5 fxe5 White cannot play f6 as he does not have a B on g5 yet.> 27...Qb8? is bad because it allows 28.Bxc5 - and unlike the game (with the black queen on d8), after 28...fxe5 White has time for 29.Bxf8, since his queen at h4 isn't under threat. 27...Qb6, on the other hand, might have been a better option for Black - though after 28.f5 fxe5 29.fxg6 Rxf1 30.Bxf1 hxg6 31.Qe7 White still seems to have strong initiative for the sacrificed pawns, and Black has to defend very carefully.> 31...Nc6 offers to return one of the pawns in order to remove the Queens as well as getting ready for ...Nd4 eg 32 Qxc5 Qxc5 33 Bxc5 a6
Mar-05-08  Ulhumbrus: After 30...Bh8 instead of 30...c4 one possibility is 31 Nc3 getting ready for Ne4 followed by f7+ and then Nf6+. On 31...Nc6 32 Bc4+ is possible.
Mar-05-08  Xaurus: <Carlsen is a half point behind Anand because he is a great player and is playing very solid chess, not because he is lucky.>

I agree.

He brings out the worst in an opponent. That takes skill and talent.

Mar-06-08  notyetagm: <Xaurus: <Carlsen is a half point behind Anand because he is a great player and is playing very solid chess, not because he is lucky.> I agree.

He brings out the worst in an opponent. That takes skill and talent.>

True, but it sure makes your life easy when your opponent's play 79 ... ♔f6-e5?? and 34 ... ♘a5-c6??, turning draws into losses.

Those two draws-oops??-losses by Shirov and Topalov are the difference between Carlsen being +2 and +0.

Mar-06-08  notyetagm: Sometimes I am just completely amazed that someone who makes as many ??-blunders as Topalov could break the 2800-elo barrier.

You -never- see the other top players like Anand, Kramnik, Leko, Aronian, etc. blunder like Topalov. I would almost dare say that Topalov makes as many ??-blunders as the rest of the top 10 -combined-.

Mar-06-08  Discerning King: 23.Rd4 Cunning!!... like it
Mar-06-08  Kaspablanca: hmmm. Is clear that carlsen won mainly because of terrible blunders by Shirov(he blocked his bishop that allowed carlsen promote to queen9 and Topalov( he had a better position but made a terrible blunder). Given these examples we can say carlsen is very lucky in this tournament.
Mar-07-08  notyetagm: <Kaspablanca: hmmm. Is clear that carlsen won mainly because of terrible blunders by Shirov(he blocked his bishop that allowed carlsen promote to queen9 and Topalov( he had a better position but made a terrible blunder). Given these examples we can say carlsen is very lucky in this tournament.>

That is why the chess saying is that the player who played the best chess in the tournament is the player who finished -second-, implying that the person who finished first got the lucky breaks.

I am just astonished at how many times this year that Carlsen has won from bad/lost/drawn positions. This drawn game against Topalov, the Van Wely game from Corus in which VW blew Magnus off the board and ended up losing, etc.

Mar-07-08
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  luzhin: "The good player is always lucky". Capablanca
Mar-07-08  notyetagm: <luzhin: "The good player is always lucky". Capablanca>

True, but this is getting kind of ridiculous:

Shirov's 79 ... ♔f6-e5??
Topalov's 34 ... ♘a5-c6??
the VW game at Corus

What the hell?!

Mar-07-08  Xaurus: <notyetagm>

What about Shirov giving the point away to Radjabov yesterday?

I don't see you complain about that.

Mar-07-08  percyblakeney: It's not as if Carlsen never loses points on mistakes himself :-) He blundered when he lost against Radjabov and Leko in Linares, as against Anand and Leko (again) in Corus. Not as big mistakes of course, but when you get pressed into positions as the one Shirov had against Carlsen, where Shirov thought he was lost also without the final blunder, it's easier to make mistakes.
Mar-07-08  MrWhite: I think Topalov needs to be aggressive in order to use it as a kind of defense, if the opponent is the aggressor his play usually collapses. Pity but true.
Mar-07-08  notyetagm: <Xaurus: <notyetagm>

What about Shirov giving the point away to Radjabov yesterday?

I don't see you complain about that.>

Blunders are going to happen, no doubt about it.

It's just that it seems like every other day is Christmas for GM Carlsen recently.

Mar-07-08  Riverbeast: Fischer: "People have been playing me below strength for fifteen years!"

If the kid's got a psychological edge on these guys, more power to him

Mar-26-08  zoat22: <notyetagm> precisely!!!
Mar-27-08  ivan999: “Luck never gives; it only lends”
swedish proverb
Apr-24-09  WhiteRook48: 34...Nc6??
May-14-13  Cooleyhigh: Move 30. f6 pawn power. Probably the strongest piece at that moment.
Aug-22-14
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  perfidious: The final position is an amusing tableau, reminiscent of not a few games played in the nineteenth century: Black is three pawns to the good, but his pieces all skulk on the queenside while the king is bereft on the other wing.
Sep-18-18  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4

<22...b5> 23.Raa1 Nc4 24.Bxc4 Bxc4 25.Rfe1 c5 26.e5 f6 27.f5 Qxe5 28.fxg6 hxg6 29.Qf2 Rac8 30.Rxa7 Rfe8 31.Bd2 Qd4 32.Be3 Qd3 33.Qf3 Rb8 34.Qf2 Re5 35.Raa1 Rc8 36.Rad1 Qf5 37.Qxf5 gxf5 38.Bf4 Rxe1+ 39.Rxe1 Rd8 40.Kf2 Kf7 41.b3 Bd3 42.Re3 b4 - / + (-0.91) Depth: 27 dpa

<22...b5> 23.Raa1 - / + (-0.80 --) Depth: 28 dpa

Nov-18-19  Cobax12: Great game by Magnus
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