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Vladimir Kramnik vs Shakhriyar Mamedyarov
"When the Shak Bites" (game of the day Apr-02-2008)
Amber Tournament (Rapid) (2008) (rapid), Nice FRA, rd 3, Mar-17
Budapest Defense: General (A52)  ·  0-1

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Mar-17-08  percyblakeney: This was a nice win for Mamedyarov!
Mar-17-08  chessmoron: 21.Bxg7? Why did he do that? 21.Qg3 would have been nicer.
Mar-17-08  percyblakeney: <21.Qg3 would have been nicer.>

It's probably a trickier position than it looks. After something like 21. Qg3 Ng6 22. Rdd1 Bf7 engines mean it's very uncomfortable for white. But there must be many improvements for white, maybe 21. Rdd1 Rf7 is the best continuation.

Mar-17-08  positionalgenius: What a game!
Mar-17-08  bgkuzzy: The two sets of pawns at the end are kinda cute.
Mar-18-08  ajile: 21.Bxg7?

Dumb move. Why mix things up when you have a material advantage.

Mar-19-08
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Bit of a dust up, wouldn't you say? The game is full of interesting moments, but to focus on 21.Bxg7, I think it's actually a nice try in a difficult situation. If White retreats the Rook, Black has 21...Nd5 and a future ...Qe4 with many threats against White's weak light squares around the King.

Personally, I think white had a huge edge out of the opening, and should have swapped the Queens. Black's Knights have little mobility, White has a sounder pawn structure, and e3-e4 is always a threat.

Mar-22-08  Piti: This is the worst game I have seen from Vlady since years.
Mar-24-08  Rottamo: Well, I am playing Budapest Defense right now in one cc game and I have to admit that any player who is not able to win with white has serious problems in their opening repertoire.

Here is my try :
1.d4 Nf6
2.c4 e5
3.dxe5 Ng4
4.Bf4 g5
5.Bg3 Bg7
6.h4

Apr-02-08  RandomVisitor: 21.Rd2 is a good move.
Apr-02-08  Manic: <Rottamo> I'm sorry?

<Well, I am playing Budapest Defense right now in one cc game and I have to admit that any player who is not able to win with white has serious problems in their opening repertoire.>

So, therefore, Kramnik must have problems in his opening repertoire. The world champion...

The budapest is no pushover. What you said makes you sound arrogant and it also takes aim at players who I am going to assume are much better than you (i.e. GMs, unless you are one as well).

P.S. The line you give is not the mainline of that variation. To me, 4...g5 looks at least dubious. The mainline continues something like 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 Bb4+ and now white can play 6.Nbd2 when black wins back the pawn with 6...Qe7 or white can play 6.Nc3 Qe7 7.Qd5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 f6 9.exf6 Nxf6 10.Qd3 in order to keep the pawn.

Apr-02-08
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  al wazir: <Rottamo: Well, I am playing Budapest Defense right now in one cc game and I have to admit that any player who is not able to win with white has serious problems in their opening repertoire.>

If you feel that way, why are you playing it? Are you dissing your opponent?

Apr-02-08
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  WannaBe: When the Shark bites, with its pretty teeth dear, scarlett billows starts to spread!! =)
Apr-02-08  Samagonka: <WannaBe> When the Shark bites, with its pretty teeth dear, scarlett billows starts to spread!!

I enjoyed this piece of poetry more than the game of the day. Is there a continuation?

Apr-02-08  Andre Conde: Wow! What a game! Totally crazy, for my begginer point of view.
Apr-02-08  utixn: It was GOTD at ICC: http://webcast.chessclub.com/Amber0...

and Samagonka it's a song and poetry more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_t...

Apr-02-08  arnaud1959: I like the final position with the black pawn rectangle b3-c3-c7-b7.
Apr-02-08  TheaN: Not that they matter (40.Rxd2? cxd2+ 41.Kxd2 b2 42.Kc2 h5 0-1), but it looks funny.
Apr-02-08  paul1959: I do not like 19.Ka1 . 19 Be2 (or even Bc2) would prevent tricks on d3. White can then continue preparing for g4. Because of the Bc3 White has a dangerous attack coming.
Apr-02-08  nasher: What was the time control for this game ? (I am not sure what "Rapid" means.)
Apr-02-08  gaatab: 31:f5!? looks ok...
Apr-02-08  xrt999: manic, in your line I dont think Bb4 is check, since white played 4.Nc3.

I think the main line is 4...Nf3 5.Bc5 e3; white has immmediate problems with f2 and is forced to defend right from the start. After black recaptures on e5, however, the game is about even and I dont think there is any real advantage to be had for black.

On the other hand, black Chessmaster plays this opening almost exclusively in the Kings Indian, which is quite annoying. This makes me infer there must be some nuance of advantage for black, or else CM would play a more historied KI such as 4...d6

Apr-02-08  Mulyahnto: time control: 25 min/10 sec increments
Apr-02-08
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  kevin86: What a finish! A knight and two pawns can conquer a rook even if the enemy king is present! However,it's also mandatory that the winning side have a passed pawn in reserve:

After 40 ♖d2 cxd2+ 41 ♔xd2 h5 and either the b or h pawns will queen.

Apr-02-08  chessya11: <saragonka> Fancy gloves though, has MacHeath dear, so there's never, a trace of red.
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